We are getting screwed.

[Cryer]

Scenario > Tourney

One of the worst posts ever.^

Careful... Last time we had a thread like this, it was promptly closed, and there were some temp-bans handed out.

I think its an interesting topic, but tread lightly

...cause i like when i can push back 10 people at once in the woods, by myself

Just to throw my hat in the ring, I offer a simple mathematical statement. Take it for what its worth:

ROF x 10 ≠ Skill x 10

[1stdeadeye]

who says mech guns cant compete in tourneys? its all in the indian not the bow and arrow. ill bring it to anyone with my mech mag. heck ill bring it to anyone with a mech classic mag.

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If you are still rocking the benchy trigger, I'll take you up on that next weekend at NJAO! I wont even use the X-Mag, I'll rock the shocker on ya!

[Digits]

Faddy - Don't want to quote your whole post as it's pretty long, but you did make some pretty good points.. But fields like SC Village whom I THINK are based more-so to tourny type players are busy to.. But i'd have to agree.. Recball does seem to attract more players, but for every 5 rec players, 1 tourny player probablly uses the same amount of paint in play, so thats also something to consider.

Xyxyll - True, but National Paintball is right up there with Kingman and Tippman, but I guess they do kind of sell everything.

Oh and Bob long, and Dye would also be up there.. Probablly not right up there with National and them.. But I know my friends oooold Gen-E matrix had a serial number in the 10 000's and that was like 3-4 years ago.. So I can only imagine how many DM4's are out there as I see them everywhere..

But when it comes down to it.. It's all preference.. I really don't like recball.. It's fun every once in a blue moon to me, but I don't like how people hide/camp and such.. And although I generally percieve people who play recball as more-so hobbiests, and people who play tourny ball to be more seriouse about the sport I respect both styles of play.

[Lohman446]

Oh and Bob long, and Dye would also be up there.. Probablly not right up there with National and them.. But I know my friends oooold Gen-E matrix had a serial number in the 10 000's and that was like 3-4 years ago.. So I can only imagine how many DM4's are out there as I see them everywhere..
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I'm willing to bet vast sums of money that National and Bob Long are right next to each other in fact identical in sales if you look at the overall company standings


Edit: I dont know the smiley for good natured harrassment of someone, this was meant as nicely as possible

[minimag03]

I think we can all agree that there is a lot more money in rec ball than in tournaments. The question is "is there enough money/growing space in the scenario to outweigh tourmnaments?"

[cockermongol]

fuzzy math

I read through this thread and a couple of realizations came to mind. First of all, it has been stated that only 3% of paintball players are active tournament ballers. While this may be true, you must understand that recball, in general, has taken quite a different turn than it was 5 years ago. Rec ball in my area is sup air, and you will never see a Tippmann (besides a few first-timers with rentals) at the field.

The problem is that you all are equating scenario play with rec ball. Woodsball has seen HEAVY decreases in the last few years, with more and more players taking to speedball - in whatever form it may be. The Tac One is focusing on the Scenario market, which, I would venture, only covers about 30% of the "Rec Ball" paintball players.

Don't take this post the wrong way. I am one who is able to enjoy paintball in its various forms, but you must understand that woodsball has been replaced by speedball as the most popular played method in paintball. For demonstation, I invite anyone here who does not agree with me to post a poll asking people what types of field the 5 closest fields to them are, or even just ask them what type of play they participate in most of the time. You would find that MOST paintballers today (let's describe a "paintballer" as one who plays at least once every 2 months) play speedball.

At my local field there is a Big Game this weekend. It is a primarily woodsball field with a hyperball and speedball field. There will probably be about 200 people there. But when the field is in regular, day-to-day operation, the woodsball field is closed and the hyperball and speedball fields are opened. I know at the big game there will be the little kids with Tippmanns (and some adults who just play paintball as a war game), but the rest of the people will be toting angels, matrices, cockers (lots of cockers), timmys, and an assortment of other guns (there's usually one or two mags there as well).

The point is that that figure is irresposible and misleading because "rec ball" is the driving force for ALL paintball companies, not just Tippmann. Of course, scenarios will be saturated with Tippmanns, but they consist of a very small minority of the majority of rec ballers (the kind you see every week at the local speedball field).

[hobbesTZ]

At one of the fields here in NH, there's a speedball course, as well as the regualr woods courses. There a group that wants to do the speedball course, and another set of people that want to play in the woods. New players are split between the two, they don't flock to just woodsball.

It's all about preferance. I like speedball, but you waste so much paint in short games. I very much prefer the woods, as you can have lengthy games in which you can actually strategize. I have time to sit and make a plan with other players about what move to make next. I enjoy trying to be stealthy.

Recball and Scenarios will be around as long as there's paint to be thrown.

[Butterfingers]

Remember Speedball is still a form of Rec Ball.

In order for it to be tournament ball it would need to consist of people participating in actual tornaments.

When you go to your local paintball place it usually some teenager who's parents had some spare money to spend on the latest DM4. In reality most if not all of the players who own these guns do not participate in tournaments. They just play rec-ball with expensive guns.

[Blazestorm]

Woodsball is kind of nice to just play occasionally....

We had an AO day today, we played probably 10 games on sup air and 2-3 on woods... woods was fun though... cept the getting shot part but the sniping people with a sydarm part was cool

[bleachit]

What happens if the indian with his bow and arrow go against a comanche helicopter complete with .50 cal machine gun, rocket pods, laser-guided bombs, and the ability to call in a nuclear warhead? What then?

the comanche has a 20 mm 3 barrelled gatling gun and I dont believe it has the capabilties to carry any lgb's, simply because it is a recon/attack helicopter = light weight. lgb's are big and heavy.

on top of all that... the comanche program was scrapped...

AH-64D > RAH-66


and to stay on topic...

Going after the scenario market was a good idea. Tom Kaye knows what he is doing, and I believe it will benefit AGD in the long run.

[Setzer]

The problem is that you all are equating scenario play with rec ball. Woodsball has seen HEAVY decreases in the last few years, with more and more players taking to speedball - in whatever form it may be. The Tac One is focusing on the Scenario market, which, I would venture, only covers about 30% of the "Rec Ball" paintball players.

The burden of proof is on your my friend. Woodsball has seen heavy decreases? And also your 30% number there, do you mean that 30% of recball players are purely sceneario, or that only 30% of recball players also participate in scenario games? Either way, where did you come up with these numbers?

Don't take this post the wrong way. I am one who is able to enjoy paintball in its various forms, but you must understand that woodsball has been replaced by speedball as the most popular played method in paintball. For demonstation, I invite anyone here who does not agree with me to post a poll asking people what types of field the 5 closest fields to them are, or even just ask them what type of play they participate in most of the time. You would find that MOST paintballers today (let's describe a "paintballer" as one who plays at least once every 2 months) play speedball.

You realize that speedball *requires* a field to play at. A lot of woodsball is not played at fields, just out in the woods. So yeah, the poll will be quite skewed. Also forums are a very bad representation of paintball players, so polls are naturally flawed.

The point is that that figure is irresposible and misleading because "rec ball" is the driving force for ALL paintball companies, not just Tippmann. Of course, scenarios will be saturated with Tippmanns, but they consist of a very small minority of the majority of rec ballers (the kind you see every week at the local speedball field).

That 3% was obtained through a method that represents the paintball community much better than your "opinions". And to say that scenario ball is a "very small minority of the majority of rec ballers" is way off. The problem is, a lot of people that play just speedball assume that not many play scenario games. Actually, scenario games are huge, you just don't hear about them because you are busy listening to what kind of underwear your favorite tourny baller wears to increase his bps.

[Nutsnyomowf]

Actually, scenario games are huge, you just don't hear about them because you are busy listening to what kind of underwear your favorite tourny baller wears to increase his bps.

LMAO, man that was a good one!!!

[bryceeden]

The burden of proof is on your my friend. Woodsball has seen heavy decreases? And also your 30% number there, do you mean that 30% of recball players are purely sceneario, or that only 30% of recball players also participate in scenario games? Either way, where did you come up with these numbers?



You realize that speedball *requires* a field to play at. A lot of woodsball is not played at fields, just out in the woods. So yeah, the poll will be quite skewed. Also forums are a very bad representation of paintball players, so polls are naturally flawed.



That 3% was obtained through a method that represents the paintball community much better than your "opinions". And to say that scenario ball is a "very small minority of the majority of rec ballers" is way off. The problem is, a lot of people that play just speedball assume that not many play scenario games. Actually, scenario games are huge, you just don't hear about them because you are busy listening to what kind of underwear your favorite tourny baller wears to increase his bps.

Don't get me wrong, I personaly play mostly woodsball or a hybrid of the two, but I am a partner in a state wide paintball franchise and I can say with 100% confidence that most rec ball(in Utah anyway) is more speedball then woodsball(although alot is a strange hybrid of the two)

AGD is focusing on rec ball with the ULE Custom for speedball(yes, is is a great speedball marker for rec ball) and the TAC one for woodsball. Laying low in tourney ball does't mean abandoning speedball.

[Thordic]

Last week, IAO, the "biggest" tournament in paintball, drew maybe 100 teams, tops. Maybe 500 players? 700 at the most.

Michigan Monster Game drew like TEN TIMES that number.

Just to throw that in there

[GotMag?]

Is there a monster game for every state?


BTW, tourny players IMO are all about the hype and the latest thing, so unless AGD comes out with a really "AGG" new gun, then they wont be succesful in the tourny scence, so why not go into scenario?

P.S. THis smart parts crap doesnt help at all