For everyone that says that 15BPS limit is slowing them down

[RRfireblade]

That's only if you DON'T have your own PB store.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Remember kiddos 15BPS = 900/minute equals about $22.5 per minute of paint you are shooting (depending on what you pay for it - I went with $50 a case as a normal enough number). We should start rating it in $$ per minute rather than BPS.

Look at me! Look at me! I can outspend you with my 3-4 cases per day of play!

The simple fact is, the people that can afford to feed a fast gun automatically seem to think that they are better than people who cannot afford $200 per day of play.

I don't feel outclassed, I feel outspent, and theres not a damn thing I can do about it, aside from hitting the lotto!

EDIT - I REFUSE to buy whitebox paint just so I can shoot more! I will not substitue quality for quantity. Period.

[RRfireblade]

I just don't get why people seem to feel that they cant compete with a 15bps capped gun. Will it really take SO MUCH away from your game? Putting everyone on even ground (in terms of firepower) is the right thing to do, regardless of wether you personally like it.

How the heck is that Fair? Everyone has a gun capable of that ROF,why should the player get handicapped?

Oh I see....let's give all the slower runners a head start off the break....oh yeah..and the guys out of shape should get a free pass to the primary bunker...oh wait...and anyone how only shoots righty get's exclusivity to that side....oh wait...what about the over weight guys and the guys with bad form and don't forget that dude how snap shoots like my grandma........



Puhleez.......

[LudavicoSoldier]

Answer me this then, why is 15bps too slow?

[Lohman446]

That's only if you DON'T have your own PB store.

I do a lot of the field maintenance and help out around the store often enough. Considering I have the equipment to do it I get called in often. That store is also a distributor for a paint company. I don't get paid but suffice it to say I get a VERY good price on paint - like just over distributor pricing. Its a sad day when I don't use a couple cases. But there is a point, limited paint tournaments would even the field some for those who simply cannot throw two cases a game.

However, one of the last unlimited tournament I went to I shared a single case with another three man team - actually the paint distributor. He, ironically, does not beleive in just throwing paint. We didn't use it all and they, after finals, took second. Its not always about throwing paint.

[RRfireblade]

Answer me this then, why is 15bps too slow?

Where did I ever say it was too slow?

I asked why everyone with a single functioning finger get's to have 15bps for free?

What happened to practicing and working to improve your game? And why should those people get penalized for it?

[WARPED1]

I shoot around 12BPS consistently, 16 if i Fan the trigger. I have the old Morlock board, no bounce, no ramping, no enhanced modes. So, the 15BPS would not affect me if I still played tournaments. I'm one of the few that rely on skill(like lots of you AO members!).

[REDRT]

15 bps is pretty quick in my book, but the game is much more fun with faster markers to me. The 30+ bps markers make the paintball makers happy (more balls used $$$), makes the field owners happy ( more money, markers and paint), The people that have 30+ bps love them. The people that hate these things are the guys that all unwilling to step up to the next level. Purist to the old school.
As for me, I may just get a predator for the Emag. I'm still using a 3.2 as of now and hanging in there. I really wish people would let there hate of new technology go and let it grow.

[LudavicoSoldier]

I'm not saying that 15bps any mode should be allowed. 15bps semi seems perfectly acceptable for me. The few that can physically pull over 15 (16-18?) shouldnt be overley handicapped by shooting a few bps slower.

My comments are not in regard to cheat modes, but more regaring a 15bps cap overall.

[LudavicoSoldier]

15 bps is pretty quick in my book, but the game is much more fun with faster markers to me. The 30+ bps markers make the paintball makers happy (more balls used $$$), makes the field owners happy ( more money, markers and paint), The people that have 30+ bps love them. The people that hate these things are the guys that all unwilling to step up to the next level. Purist to the old school.
As for me, I may just get a predator for the Emag. I'm still using a 3.2 as of now and hanging in there. I really wish people would let there hate of new technology go and let it grow.

I am not hating on new tech. Lord knows I love the newest toys! I am hating n people who feel the need to outspend the rest of us, purely in terms of paint consumption. Example:

Team A has a budget of $2500 for Tourny X (for paint)

Team B has a budget of $5000 for Tourny X (for paint)

Can you say that it will be a fair matchup, in terms of paint shot? If all members of Team B have the means to shoot non-stop during all of their games, how can that be fair to Team B, who might have to conserve paint to be able to make it through all of their games?

A 15bps cap should even the field a little bit, and give the lower budget teams a fairer chance againt a team who CAN afford to shoot 20+ bps.

[Lohman446]

BPS can stop another team from winning - its pretty hard to win with BPS.

Case in point... we are playing a three man locally - we are coming against a team that is, without a doubt, better than us. We know this, we know they can snap with the best, we know they can move and we just frankly.. cannot compete. We decide we will settle for a stalemate as a team, with no flag pull. On the break we turn and lane hard, taking one of them. From there we take our bunkers and just rain paint - now I normally only carry three pods - in this game I shot six. It was a steady (maybe not 15BPS) stream of paint from each of us on them.. and we did stalemate the game.

Guess what, we didn't win - yes BPS can help, but it is not the only factor.

[RRfireblade]

I am not hating on new tech. Lord knows I love the newest toys! I am hating n people who feel the need to outspend the rest of us, purely in terms of paint consumption. Example:

Team A has a budget of $2500 for Tourny X (for paint)

Team B has a budget of $5000 for Tourny X (for paint)

Can you say that it will be a fair matchup, in terms of paint shot? If all members of Team B have the means to shoot non-stop during all of their games, how can that be fair to Team B, who might have to conserve paint to be able to make it through all of their games?

A 15bps cap should even the field a little bit, and give the lower budget teams a fairer chance againt a team who CAN afford to shoot 20+ bps.

I think your mistaken on that assumption.Regardless of your ROF, your still going to carry the same amount of paint per game and shoot the same amount a paint per game.

'You Guys' also can't play both sides of the same arguement.You can't sit there and say the cap isn't going to change anything and then say the cap is going to change something.

Either a few BPS makes a difference or it doesn't, pick one.

As for the other, Paintball is an expensive sport,especially to 'compete' in. It's not any body's fault or responsibility to make sure it's affordalbe to everyone who wants to play it.

I 'want' to race Top Fuel Dragsters,I 'want' to play high stakes Poker when I go to Vegas,I 'want' to fly experimental aricraft.....but guess what.....


Listen, in the end it's really not going to make much of a difference either way. I just don't like the idea of a 'fix' for a problem (cheaters) that not only doesn't fix that problem but potentially creates additional problems (Legal Ramping/Full Auto) that is not only equally difficult to enforce but makes the original problem even worse.

That's just bad for everyone.

[Lohman446]

Some of the best players I know carry one pod with them on field. Most of the players I know carry two or three. I know two people who carry five or more and thats only at tournaments. As I noted BPS is important, it is a skill, but there are other skills that can determine the outcome more than BPS.

I like the cap, with ramping. I like it because it allows ramping and lets me keep up with most everyone. It allows me to "buy" one of the series of skills needed to be victorious. I have no shame in it, yes I do try to "buy" skill - allowing ramping has let me be successful in that buying of skill. You know... it hasn't dramatically improved my game... maybe next they'll let me "buy" a way to snap shoot, or run, or cover better - competetively (like ramping keeps me competetive). I'm not just talking marginally better.. I'm talking well if I was in like four feet of my target it would somehow hit type.... hmm NPS - Manike, I'm talking to you .

[NoForts4Me]

People here (and elsewhere) keep talking about themselves or others that can shoot faster than 15 bps sustained (w/o assistance), and say they have videos, yet I never see the videos . I think someone online has had a bet of $100 for anyone that can prove they can do it, and no one ever has (unless it was filled recently). Even with trained fingers, there are physical limits, and it is probably just above 15. There are always exceptions, but there aren't going to be many.

Oh, and I do agree with RRfireblade, in a perfect world it would be one pull, one shot, and caps wouldn't matter, it would be up to skill. Unfortunately, things haven't worked out that way, and I'm not sure if they will go back. I haven't played tourney ball since the days of the pumps and early semi's, so it's really a moot point for me. I play against FA markers almost everytime I play, but I'll stick with my Classic. Besides, I'm cheap .

[hitech]

...if for no other reason than there will be an upper limit to how fast they can cheat.

I just don't like the idea of a 'fix' for a problem (cheaters) that not only doesn't fix that problem...that is not only equally difficult to enforce but makes the original problem even worse.

And I still say that if you can't enforce 'bounce' how the heck are you going to enforce an on field ROF cap?

It seems obvious that "we" can't currently enforce the existing rules. The new rule isn't likely to be any more enforceable. My question is, what is the solution?