So, you can buy a NEW Mini Now?

[buzzboy]

Yeah the price does seem a little high. Though I think that it is fair enough because it has AUTOMAG stamped on the side of it.

Also I was thinking that they should offer more upgrades such as y/intel grip, x valve and possibly foregrip/bottomline.

[WARPED1]

hmm...295? maybe 125 and I would consider it.

I agree wholeheartedly. The $300 electro market(Diablo Wrath) has lowered the market on all mech guns. I'd pay no more than $125, especially since it still has a Classic Valve.

Hmm, I wonder which marker you are talking about .

The Diablo Wrath you butt nugget!

[hobbesTZ]

There's practically an endless supply of $100 Minimags around here. The only people that are going to buy this are those who want the nastalgia factor or they haven't come across many paintball forums.

[shartley]

They want the newest, fastest and shiniest out there. Your right the minimag is none of these, but please don't tell me it can't compete with a tippmann, because your not even in the same price range when it comes to out of the box. Yes they may be better, but thats after several hundred in upgrades. I've owned the low end stuff and wasn't really happy with it as well as the high end and they all just let me down and cost an arm and a leg to fix. Nobody gives a damn about real quality anymore. It's all about tolerances and cycle rates not overall design.

Yes I am an AGD Fanboy, because Tom Knew what he was doing when he built the damn thing. I will swear by my automag when the newest, fastest and shiniest is crapping out on the field. Maybe if you show up to an AO day sometime you'll see why we defend our mags the way we do, it's pretty overwhelming. People say Toms design is dated, I think it was ahead of it's time.

There's practically an endless supply of $100 Minimags around here. The only people that are going to buy this are those who want the nastalgia factor or they haven't come across many paintball forums.

I agree. And if the argument about the marker being as good 10 years after it is purchased as the day it was, why would anyone pay for a new one at 3 times the price of a used one that is just as good?

[Pyroboy597]

i dono why anyone would buy a minimag anyway. And i can say this because ive owned one for over a year and a half now. They are not good. Its that simple. They are heavy, slow, and just expensive. A spyder can outshoot a minimag out of its box, and just to get your mag to shoot with a still heavy but lighter trigger pull, you have to either upgrade to a new 250$ valve, buy a 140$ trigger frame, or spend 40$ on a ULT. Also, you have to pay for your gun not to chop. Once youve got your gun "up to par" you could have bought almost any gun (some would have to be used) out there. I realized that about half way through and gave up. My mag would never shoot the way that a 700$ gun should.

[Pyroboy597]

i know i did :P i dont have anything against AGD or AO, but i really dono how they get people to buy their guns... and its not even like a small number of people.. there are thousands of members here who are STILL buying mag stuff.

[mag88888]

that is true. i realized that with my old spyder and bought mag. now im being told that my mag isnt good enough and i should just buy a whole new gun. my mag didnt chop once in maybe 700 balls yesterday. if i put a pneu frame or a justa double trigger on there i think itd be good enough to play most any gun. i was playing shockers, angels, cockers, i did fine. but then again for a cheaper price than upgradiing i could get something that shoots just as fast for cheaper. but then again i love my mag. i like being unique. i like talking with other hidden mag guys that i didnt know about. i woulkd rather pay 500 in all for a pneu mag then pay 300 for a ION and stuff. i dont know about you but thats how i feel. how do you guys feel about that?

[magmonkey]

here is the problem, I would be willing to bet AGD can't come close to making a mini for 125.00
there is a HUGE difference between say a 98c and a mini in manufacturing.

I would be willing to bet that tippmann pays no more then $8.00 per cast body (now that the molds are paid for)
I am not nocking tippmanns at all here I am just saying that the way a MAG is built is not a cheap venture.

[Pullman]

Easy for you to say, when the time comes you wouldn't buy it. In fact, you'd probably pick up a Ion instead.

Or not. I already own a mini, and I recently bought a bunch of parts (prolly $300 bucks worth) to put together a warped ULE mag cause I like them, and I know how they work. IONs are swell I guess (never owned one) and I know A-5's are fine (best CO2 powered marker I have ever owned) I just like mags better. I guess that makes me dumb

[shartley]

i know i did :P i dont have anything against AGD or AO, but i really dono how they get people to buy their guns... and its not even like a small number of people.. there are thousands of members here who are STILL buying mag stuff.

here is the problem, I would be willing to bet AGD can't come close to making a mini for 125.00
there is a HUGE difference between say a 98c and a mini in manufacturing.

I would be willing to bet that tippmann pays no more then $8.00 per cast body (now that the molds are paid for)
I am not nocking tippmanns at all here I am just saying that the way a MAG is built is not a cheap venture.

Or not. I already own a mini, and I recently bought a bunch of parts (prolly $300 bucks worth) to put together a warped ULE mag cause I like them, and I know how they work. IONs are swell I guess (never owned one) and I know A-5's are fine (best CO2 powered marker I have ever owned) I just like mags better. I guess that makes me dumb

[Tunaman]

Dont tell us...tell it to all the whiners at the field yesterday that got their butts LIT UP BAD by automags. It is a real shame that people open there mouths and know nothing of what they speak. Give me your best A5...or 98...and I will personally make any Minimag, Classic, or RT Pro pee all over it. Put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap. We talk with our Mags and they didn't want to believe that these were MECHANICAL MAGS that were doing all the hurting yesterday. Sales will increase AGAIN from all the non-believers that were inquiring about Mags yesterday. Stainless steel and 6262 series aluminum are high quaility alloys that dont come cheap and never will. And having a vertical adapter on a minimag does not constitute having to run a vertical bottle either. Ever hear of a foregrip? Dont believe the hype. The Mag will ALWAYS be a better marker due to the inherent design and quality.
And another little thing that is starting to piss me off. If you decide that you want to come here and bash Mags, your post will be deleted. I will do it personally. This is a mag forum for mag owners and other gun owners alike. We dont bash other guns around here so neither will any of you bash mags. Take it to your "other " forums and do it there. If you haven't already realized what is going on, there are new owners at AGD and they deserve the same help from all of us to keep them rolling along. Its a tough enough market out there without having retards bashing your products on you own damn forum.

[JKR]

my basic opinion on this is...they won't sell unless the buyer is experienced with mags and actually knows about them. if some random kid surfing the net for guns sees a mini for 295 or or whatever hes no gonna even think about buying them. they look like crap. all basic mags with stock bodies (other than the ULE bodies) look like they suck. they arent attractive at all. they look lame. AGD should spice it up with other colors instead of that droopy gray that comes stock on most the 68's and minis you see.

That is your opinion. I am one of many who actually likes the lines of the stainless bodies. Just wish Tom would have designed an integrated sight rail on it.

Pyroboy597... for someone who has nothing but negative things to say about AGD products, you sure do hang out in a strange place. I am sure there is a SP forum somewhere that would appreciate your input.

I will agree that the Classic 'Mag will never thrive in the "Land of the BPS Monkeys" but that isn't why I bought one. My reasons for recently getting on the AGD bandwagon: liked the look of the Classic 'Mag, love the stock Classic grip frame, very much a fan of the quality, and prefer long-term reliability over ROF.

[mag88888]

when everyone says mags are slow i just dont know what theyre talking about. i was on par with everyone else with their angels and shockers yesterday with my single trigger mag. and it wasnt bouncing, all semi. at what point can you tell the difference of 10 or 20 balls coming at you? at what point does bps not help? i thought i would be outgunned yesterday but i held my own.

[shartley]

Dont tell us...tell it to all the whiners at the field yesterday that got their butts LIT UP BAD by automags. It is a real shame that people open there mouths and know nothing of what they speak. Give me your best A5...or 98...and I will personally make any Minimag, Classic, or RT Pro pee all over it. Put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap. We talk with our Mags and they didn't want to believe that these were MECHANICAL MAGS that were doing all the hurting yesterday. Sales will increase AGAIN from all the non-believers that were inquiring about Mags yesterday. Stainless steel and 6262 series aluminum are high quaility alloys that dont come cheap and never will. And having a vertical adapter on a minimag does not constitute having to run a vertical bottle either. Ever hear of a foregrip? Dont believe the hype. The Mag will ALWAYS be a better marker due to the inherent design and quality.
And another little thing that is starting to piss me off. If you decide that you want to come here and bash Mags, your post will be deleted. I will do it personally. This is a mag forum for mag owners and other gun owners alike. We dont bash other guns around here so neither will any of you bash mags. Take it to your "other " forums and do it there. If you haven't already realized what is going on, there are new owners at AGD and they deserve the same help from all of us to keep them rolling along. Its a tough enough market out there without having retards bashing your products on you own damn forum.

[Pyroboy597]

dude... whoever that was that said there was a SP forum that wanted my input.. your right... there probably is.. but im registered on this one.. and if u read the first post, the guy asked "what do you guys think?" so i can say whatever i want since he asked for my opinion. Read the first post nextime before you come after me.