So, you can buy a NEW Mini Now?

[A-Tach-One]

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.catalog&categoryID=33

I was looking on AGD's site and Minimags are for sale now. Hopefully never used ones. But look at the price.. Its a bit pricey. Post what you think?

In reply to your post, if you like the minmag and can afford it, buy it!


If it is about bashing the price of the minimag, then it is not the gun you really want and should look to other options. I know if I bash somthing, it is probably nothing I would really buy anyway. This is not directed to anyone.

[shartley]

Just in case folks may have missed it, I own a mag. And I love my mag.

[teufelhunden]

What youve said has been said plenty before. Its not insightful, because its nothing new. As youve said "its negative". Being negative isnt constructive. Oximoron? (No, I am not calling you a name, look it up if you dont know what it means).

From the way I read it, Tuna is fed up with the negative comments of a few non-maggers hanging out on a mag forum with the only intent to bash THE marker that this forum represents.

Id have to agree with Tuna, if thats your intent...go somewhere else. Calling what you do *constructive* is a joke ---and you know it.

Tuna sees that good things are happening, and from the sounds of it he isnt going to allow the few bashers out there to screw that up.

Get real---If you think a company can turnaround in 6 months, your not sane. Dave has only been on board since Decemeber, he surely has a vision for its future. Give it a rest.

Oxymoron, for starters.

The way I read it, Tuna is looking for only <3<3MagsOMG posts. While I can't purport to have been an AO'er since the beginning, I've seen a number of the more substantial older posts. TK, during the development of things like LX and ULE mainbodies took negative remarks and used them to improve his product. Had Tuna been deleting any posts which could, through whatever degree of distortion, be percieved as negative, those posts would never have got to TK. Hell, even the aftermarket guys react to complaints. I believe your bud Coolhand has a V2 logic frame.. probably with some improvements that came from users' complaints.

A company can be turned around in months. Read Howard Schultz's book titled Pour Your Heart Into It about the history of Starbucks. When Schultz took Sbux over in 1987, he took a company much like what AGD is percieved as being-- a company resting on its laurels, content with its small market-- and transformed it into the basis for what we know and love today. Oh, and he did it quickly.

So maybe you need to get real. Maybe sights need to be set higher. Maybe the bar needs to be raised. And maybe some people can dewad their panties and see what they're doing to help or hinder.

[teufelhunden]

Just in case folks may have missed it, I own a mag. And I love my mag.

Ditto. It's 'Mag number three in my marker history of around 15 guns.

[mag88888]

tunaman: you say AGD is working on new gun? im interested. if you cant spread the word out liud then i understand...

[shartley]

This was not addressed to me, but I feel the need to address something brought up in it:

Thanks for the spell check. I rarely go back and re-edit typos---you got the gist. Id be happy to have you spell check all my typos if youll do it for free

As you said in another thread, anything can be done with an unlimited wallet. I bet that AGD would be happy to accomodate your negative complaints if you were the one funding your own suggestions. Open up that pocketbook of yours and give them a call.

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So get real, and put your money where your mouth is. I am doing it. Tuna is doing it. And so is Dave over at AGD. Lets see your pocketbook more, and less of your reading skills.

Or is it that you just have your panties in a wad?

[Tunaman]

Well Sam, as you know already, TK HAS listened to everything everyone has ever *****ed about regarding the Mag. He stopped the chops, , made them super light, lightened the trigger, lowered the price, made them cocker threaded and still got it rammed up his arse for doing EVERYTHING everyone has ever asked him to do. Do you think that Dave wants to go through the same crap all for naught? He isn't that stupid. He will do what HE thinks is best for the company right now, and not what a bunch of kids on an internet forum tell him to do. He wont make the same mistake again (in theory) I guarantee you that. Mags were never meant to compete with tippmanns, so no comparison should be made there. All the negative things are now gone out of the Mag so people should have no cause to ***** about them anymore. If they suck that bad, then why are they still selling after 20+ years? When people begin to realize that the Mag NEVER died and just went by the wayside for a while AGD will be much better off...as will the droves of mentally challenged kids who refuse to believe it. The hype is still alive and well...dont believe it for one minute.

[GT]

Good Lord,
We are talking about a dam paintball gun not Crown Vic's that had killed countless number of officers before Ford did a dam thing about it. Secondly there is always a cost inherent to any desgin change or fix, and yes you are expected to pay for it. Last time I checked AGD was not a DARPA project funded by the feds to build mags. If the public at large doesnt pay for change then who does.

I am at a lose as to any new negative issues for the mag. The gun has been around for nearly 20 years and a litany of issues have been addressed either by AGD or thier after market.

So what are we *****ing about today?

[teufelhunden]

The rest of the points have been made, except this one, despite being off topic.

Schultz didnt turn the company around. He bought it and expanded it(in a completely different market). Not the same.

No. But if you'd like to speak about Starbucks history, let me take off my green apron first, I have coffee all over me..

[WARPED1]

I think it is GREAT that markers are available for sale. I think it is GREAT that folks like different things. But unfortunately sometimes niche markets simply stay that way. And I think AGD is a niche market, no matter how hard they try to go head to head with other companies out there.

Well put, it all makes perfect sense. But most AO zealots will not see that. Either because they're blind devotion or they just can't read.

[shartley]

Youd be incorrect.

My doing something is similar to *Eddie Bauer* editions of Ford Vehicles. Everything I can do, I do with authentic AGD parts(rails, bodies, foregrips, colored triggers). Otherwise, its to AGD spec. And some of those things do address customer issues.

And yes, I handed over my own money to AGD(to purchase their parts) and did that. Yes, I complained(just like you and others), and when I was rebuffed----I did it myself.

So yes, I am more than just your standard *dealer*. As is Tuna(TunaRail, TunaPack anyone?).

The answer is simply, yes. Making a profit doesnt exclude it from counting. Only by your standards, I guess. Most of my spec parts start from AGD stock. So yes, they do count.

You just dont know what your talking about. This isnt meant as an insult, just that you arent privy to allot of information.

The typical response from folks who arent listened to. We heard the suggestion the first time---even the second time(and third, etc). You just didnt realize that we were being polite when you were ignored.

If you(in the vencular; not YOU specifically Sam) think it will work, go do it yourself. Be a man, and sack up. Otherwise, let it go.

It is not up to the CUSTOMER to do something about what a company is doing. It is up to the company to listen to its customers (or potential customers) and go from there. Not every complaint that a customer has demands that customer go out and try to do things themselves.

And as your edit shows, you know I have sacked up and have my own business. And it is not my first. So I do understand issues facing businesses.

When the negativity becomes bashing, yep---its too much. And Id hope that mods will squash it. Some people just dont know when theyve gone over the line.

And that goes for bashing those who have differing views with your own as well.

Well Sam, as you know already, TK HAS listened to everything everyone has ever *****ed about regarding the Mag. He stopped the chops, , made them super light, lightened the trigger, lowered the price, made them cocker threaded and still got it rammed up his arse for doing EVERYTHING everyone has ever asked him to do. Do you think that Dave wants to go through the same crap all for naught? He isn't that stupid. He will do what HE thinks is best for the company right now, and not what a bunch of kids on an internet forum tell him to do. He wont make the same mistake again (in theory) I guarantee you that. Mags were never meant to compete with tippmanns, so no comparison should be made there. All the negative things are now gone out of the Mag so people should have no cause to ***** about them anymore. If they suck that bad, then why are they still selling after 20+ years? When people begin to realize that the Mag NEVER died and just went by the wayside for a while AGD will be much better off...as will the droves of mentally challenged kids who refuse to believe it. The hype is still alive and well...dont believe it for one minute.

Good Lord,
We are talking about a dam paintball gun not Crown Vic's that had killed countless number of officers before Ford did a dam thing about it. Secondly there is always a cost inherent to any desgin change or fix, and yes you are expected to pay for it. Last time I checked AGD was not a DARPA project funded by the feds to build mags. If the public at large doesnt pay for change then who does.

I am at a lose as to any new negative issues for the mag. The gun has been around for nearly 20 years and a litany of issues have been addressed either by AGD or thier after market.

So what are we *****ing about today?

[Teamslayer76]

This had developed [sp] alot here. I was just stating that it's kind of expensive. Honestly it is. I do remember when mini's were like 500 bucks but that was over 5 years ago. Even in 2000 you could get one for under 300 bucks. But if anyone noticed my post. YOU CAN PURCHASE A PROCLASSIC WITH A MINI-MAG BODIE FOR 10 MORE DOLLARS!. The pro-classic is a much better deal.

And somebody on page one said something along the lines of how they hate kids who go on the net look at guns and see something thats old and expensive and complain about it. And not knowing what it is. Well I think anyone here knows what Automags Mini's ect are, I mean its Automags.org come on.... Also I've owned many mags. Sold my BRAND NEW PG GEAR MINI MAG with a complete set up for $170 on ebay a few months back.

[yakitori]

what I dont understand is why AGD keeps putting together old style guns and slapping a NEW name on it. Just cause the parts are new (probably just old stock) doesnt mean the gun is any better.

Mags are not all that bad guns, but they have ALWAYS been overpriced. Who wants a gun that will last 10 years anyway? I dont even know what Ill be doing in 10 years, much less still be shooting the same gun. I may not even be playing paintball in 10 years.

I think all mag stuff is overpriced, and I doubt I will ever by or shoot another mag. Im not trying to diss them. They are great for what they are. To me they are basically a high end mech woodsball marker.

AGD needs to do something new and differnt, not scrounge up some of their old stock and build markers out of them and put a steep pricetag on it and call it new. Its old. Minimags are old.

And there are A LOT of markers that are better for a cheaper price. Not just an Ion, but many more.

[teufelhunden]

[shartley]

One need not be a philanthropist to help

Lets go read another book so we can regurgitate others works. Big hat, no cattle.