So, you can buy a NEW Mini Now?

[magmonkey]

"AGD needs to do something new and differnt, not scrounge up some of their old stock and build markers out of them and put a steep pricetag on it and call it new. Its old. Minimags are old."

what if anything will keep them afloat until they can come out with the next wonder marker that is 10 years ahead of its time?

the old stand by a bullitproof design
yes it costs a bit more but for me I would rather pay a bit more for a well thought out marker design then to pay more for a regurgated milling pattern.

and putting a steep pricetag on it... cutting the cost of the marker in half was not good enough for you... it takes more money to produce a mag then your average semi

would you rather they cheapen them up and get a bad rap for there quality slipping?

[teufelhunden]

You're more or less proving the point I'm trying to make.. but ok..

I've got the book by my side, let me type it up for you..

Starbucks created its 15 million customers. AGD created customers in the 90s-- without the durability of rental 'Mags, what semi-auto would be offered as a rental at fields for first timers? Then those same players, when buying their own guns, would buy what was familiar, the same reason Tippmanns sell today. AGD created its market then, the same way Sbux created its market.

With Starbucks, one cup of coffee will turn a few cents profit. With AGD, one gun will turn a much higher profit-- I'm not educated enough to make a guess, but I'm sure it's not $5/gun. AGD doesn't need 15 million customers a week to be profitable and expand.

Starbucks and AGD are obviously in different industries with different issues to deal with, but that does not mean they've extremely different business profiles.

[shartley]

I dont think I attempted on this one

When you have a big hat and no cattle, there is little credence given to YOUR statements(yep, I do mean YOU this time)...

I personally know way too many people that have left AO directly and indirectly because of you Sam. That speaks volumes.

[WARPED1]

what if anything will keep them afloat until they can come out with the next wonder marker that is 10 years ahead of its time?

The mag was 10 years ahead of its time. IN 1990!

[Wheelman]

AGD needs to do something new and differnt, not scrounge up some of their old stock and build markers out of them and put a steep pricetag on it and call it new. Its old. Minimags are old.

I'd rather cling to the old for dear life, happier times they were.

[warbeak2099]

Exactly what a person with a big hat, no cattle would say.

Well, he's right. But I gotta be honest, no offence or anything but you are really arrogant a lot Rogue. I think some people are afraid to say it, but you're not the nicest guy sometimes. And look at yourself, you are a small business just like Shartley. Would you want people thinking you don't know what you're talking about just because you aren't running a huge operation?

A lot of the time, these smaller guys know more of what they're talking about than the bigger companies.

[Fred]

And another little thing that is starting to piss me off. If you decide that you want to come here and bash Mags, your post will be deleted. I will do it personally. This is a mag forum for mag owners and other gun owners alike. We dont bash other guns around here so neither will any of you bash mags. Take it to your "other " forums and do it there. If you haven't already realized what is going on, there are new owners at AGD and they deserve the same help from all of us to keep them rolling along. Its a tough enough market out there without having retards bashing your products on you own damn forum.

Damn straight, bout time somebody started steering this ship back to where it used to sail.

[magmonkey]

The mag was 10 years ahead of its time. IN 1990!

my point exactly, now we need another ten year ahead of its time design ,,, however that cost a great deal of money and alot of time
so they need to keep moving somthing before they can come up with the next design

[TAW]

To answer the original question I would buy the Pro Classic with the Minimag body option $239 vs. $295 if I wanted a marker that I could pass on to my kids 10-15 years later. The last time I bought a new Mag at that price they didn't come with a barrel, asa or airline.

I tell ya, The people that wine about the old Automag been called a NEW Pro-Classic just because it has RT-Pro parts would wine if AGD tried to pass it off as just an Automag.

My respect for Tunaman and RogueFactor just went up.

If you don't have anything nice to say about Mags then go away.

Unless you can hire your own engineers to redesign it to prove your point. Wait, what you can't, then let me get the door for you. Bye, Don't write.

I use Automags because they work very well for my playing style. But I know there are markers that will be better for different playing styles and more power to you for finding the perfect marker for you.

[WARPED1]

I paid $450 for my Classic in 1990. Barrel, ASA, and steel braided line............. the mag was top of the line then, only gun that could compete was the Autococker. And they were about the same price.

[teufelhunden]

Lets agree to disagree.

Works.

[FlawleZ]

but not by trying to be the next Tippmann replacement, but simply a different marker in the same genre of play.

That's exactly what they are. Tippmanns have been in the recreational aspect of paintball since they first entered the paintball market as a whole. This has been Tippmann's favorite flavor and has worked VERY well for them and to say they succeed in this market would be an understatement. However, AGD has obviously decided to focus more towards the same market and aspect of paintball that Tippmann has, but you can't expect them to immediately overwhelm the scenario/recreational market in just under a year or so time. With slightly better marketing strategy in the world of paintball I think AGD will have a complete turnaround. It may not happen next month, or even next year. I doubt AGD is going anywhere rapidly in either direction so everyone just needs to sit tight and suppport the product and company they like. If it's AGD and their current, past, or future product line, GREAT, if not, please don't dwell here with negative attitudes.

Patience is of virtue.

[Kevmaster]

Exactly what a person with a big hat, no cattle would say.

Being as right as you are, as much of the time as you purport to be, I am surprised you dont have more cattle.

a very true statement. but as a former small business owner on another forum, im guessing what you, sam, tuna etc all do is a side job. maybe not for you, but i know it is for a lot of AO's 'dealers' If you're making a living off your annod ule bodies, tom's sellin em to ya at an insane price. besides, if youre making aftermarket parts for a product that has a production line as small as AGDs, you can't be in it for the money and you certainly can't grow to have some cattle...as you would say.

Well, he's right. But I gotta be honest, no offence or anything but you are really arrogant a lot Rogue. I think some people are afraid to say it, but you're not the nicest guy sometimes. And look at yourself, you are a small business just like Shartley. Would you want people thinking you don't know what you're talking about just because you aren't running a huge operation.

while i dont think he would like his business compared to sams (nor would I for that matter) i think you're right. i remember i voted 'against' an idea of yours in a poll maybe a year ago. you took it upon yourself to try to chew me up on AIM to figure out why. maybe thats part of your 'market research' but certainly i'd rather be treated in a humane way.

that said, i've never bought anything from you or sam nor have tried to. i dont know what kind of dealers you are. your stuff just doesnt appeal to me, as the only mag related item i have is an Xmag...and theres only so much you can upgrade. Similar lines with sam regarding his clothing. you both may well take care of your customers in excellent manner...

[ShooterJM]

Holy dissapearing posts batman!

[JMAN]

Mags will start gaining a lot of territory with Rec/WoodsBall Players if they market their products correctly and maintain quality/customer service. Granted it won't be an over night thing. This is coming from a Tippmann A5 & former 98c owner which is upgrading to a Paradigm. Mags are becoming very popular with Tippmann owners, just take a look at A5OG.net