Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

[Target Practice]

I realize; I was just trying to prove a point
All I know is that it takes me a lot longer to take the barrel off of my RPG Exile body than it does for me to pop off a twist lock. I realize that the twist locks require more material too.

Oh, no, I understand/agree with you. I was elaborating.

[Mike Smith]

In my defense of the hammerhead barrel I have been asked for quantitative defense as to why it defies logic, physics, and existing date

Start with a false premise and build on it. That looks familiar.

[Mike Smith]

No one ever claimed that the X-Valve would not chop balls--LEVEL 10 is the anti-chop upgrade...

Dude... What comes standard with the x-valve? You're info is defective (as usual).

[Lohman446]

Start with a false premise and build on it. That looks familiar.

What false premise? You defended the statement that Hammerhead barrels were better, we asked for proof of that, after all the makers various degrees and writings have been cited, and then you used comments like well I'll use the quote feature.

I have enjoyed this little excursion into the faith some people have in Tom Kaye. It helps me understand the Michael Jackson crowd.

Tom is an extremely innovative person who has contributed greatly to the paintball game, however I do not view him as perfect (like most of the naysayers that have decided to attack me personally, instead of refuting what I posted). For those of you that denegrated me, I understand your ignorance and your blind devotion to Tom Kaye.

For those that wanted to know what I agreed with, it would be most of what Tom did, test-wise (90%-95%).
For the person defending Berzerkly in CA.... OK...... :rollseyes:
For the whiny-babies....
For the Tom Kaye sycophants, explain the twist and lock, the crown point, and the hype about the x-valve not chopping balls. Of course, I can only go on my own personal experiences with these 3 "designs", some going back as far as 1991, so my opinion must be "invalid"...

[Target Practice]

Dude... What comes standard with the x-valve? You're info is defective (as usual).

You don't get it. Xvalve != Level 10. I have Level 10 on my classic-valved MicroMags.

The Xvalve does not prevent chopping. Level 10 does. Just because they are sold together doesn't mean they are the same thing.

[SlartyBartFast]

Start with a false premise and build on it. That looks familiar.

Alright then smart guy,

Show us one instance where you've given any data, proof, or scientific reasoning that can stand up to scrutiny instead of simply defending your own blind faith and belief by mocking others with the charge of blind faith.

You a priest? Last time I ran into such illogical, circular, and evasive argumentation was in the pope thread.

[Miscue]

Alright then smart guy,

Show us one instance where you've given any data, proof, or scientific reasoning that can stand up to scrutiny instead of simply defending your own blind faith and belief by mocking others with the charge of blind faith.

You a priest? Last time I ran into such illogical, circular, and evasive argumentation was in the pope thread.

Oh wait... I can answer this one on his behalf.

"The logic is quite clear if you would bother reading and comprehending what I said. It is you that has not provided any proof, and instead have only repeated dogmatic hogwash. I have provided everything you need to understand why it works. You are blind followers of Tom Kaye, and it's like arguing with hopeless followers of some religion. You can choose to ignore the facts and be ignorant. I'm done arguing with fools, you are a waste of my time."

Hurm... that's about all I could come up with as far as the standard Internet responses... when no real argument is being made.

[Mike Smith]

OK SlartyBartFast...
I have clearly stated that the Hammerhead-launched paintballs break on players that are bouncing balls off of me. I have clearly stated that the paintballs have scratches on them from being launched at 200 mph out of the hammerhead barrel. I have clearly stated that paintballs spin when they exit the barrel, despite the rantings of one of the sychopants in this thread. I have clearly stated that the level 10 is an intrigal part of the x-valve, therefore my statement about an x-valve chopping balls is, and will continue to be, accurate, despite the rantings of one of the sychopants. I have also clearly stated that water in a glass will spin in the direction of the glass if you spin the glass, despite the rantings of another sychopant.

You can easily find all this out by simply re-reading this thread. Why did you need me to "hold your hand"? Too busy to re-read the thread?



And Lohman446, are you attempting to state that the Hammerhead barrel defies logic, physics, and existing data? That is a false premise, in case you didn't "clue" into it. I used mine all weekend long and it never once defied any form of logic, physics, or any published data about launching paintballs out of Mags...

And Miscue, you're pretty lame about throwing smack. If I was that weak, I'd stay away from the smack talk....

[Lohman446]

I have clearly stated that paintballs spin when they exit the barrel, despite the rantings of one of the sychopants in this thread.

Which defies logic, existing data, and physics.

And Lohman446, are you attempting to state that the Hammerhead barrel defies logic, physics, and existing data? That is a false premise, in case you didn't "clue" into it. I used mine all weekend long and it never once defied any form of logic, physics, or any published data about launching paintballs out of Mags...

You answered that one yourself

If you couldn't put those together all by yourself... well I resort to this emoticon again

[Jack & Coke]

Mike,

The "X-Valve" is just an Aluminum version of the RT-valve. The Level 10 was a seperate development. It was not developed as "part of" the X-"valve" system. AGD just included it with all new guns that came with the X-Valve.

BTW, it's sycophant, not sychopant. No biggie, but you misspelled it twice in your last post. Not sure if you knew...

[Mike Smith]

So, in your mind Lohman446, a paintball exiting a barrel at 200 mph spinning defies --->your<--- logic, existing data, and physics. I think I'll believe my own eyes, instead of your "logic, existing data, and physics". It is an easily proven fact that paintballs can and do spin as they exit paintball barrels. The most obvious example of that is right after a broken ball in the barrel. The following balls will do loop-the-loops, radical curves, and other forms of unnatural flight paths, due to their spin before they exit the barrel. This is simple, lohman. Get yourself some two color paintballs with some decent contrast, and fire them out of your gun. Do they, or do they NOT spin? Simple test, see if you are capable of eyeballing your balls and get back to us....



Jack & Coke, I rarely ever do a spell check. I knew there was an "h" in there, somewhere.
And the x-valve comes equipped with the level 10, that's why it's called an "X"-valve
( hint... X = roman numeral 10)...

[Target Practice]

And the x-valve comes equipped with the level 10, that's why it's called an "X"-valve
( hint... X = roman numeral 10)...

Again, you are wrong. You should probably check this out before you post. The Xvalve and Level 10 are two completely different things.

They are called "X" valves because they first appeared on the Extreme Emag, which was shortend to "X-mag".

[Lohman446]

So, in your mind Lohman446, a paintball exiting a barrel at 200 mph spinning defies --->your<--- logic, existing data, and physics. I think I'll believe my own eyes, instead of your "logic, existing data, and physics". It is an easily proven fact that paintballs can and do spin as they exit paintball barrels

Your eyes are so much more accurate than the high speed photos we have seen that this is not true . And recall the big hole little ball thing.. that rifling doesn't have the ability to impart spin. And then you have to take the step that that spin would be useful to make it better.. which base phyiscs and existing data show is not true. So we are depending that our eyes are better than high speed photos and that what "we think" is true even though it defies base physics. Then we are using this logic to say it is better.



Edited to comply with the rules... I'm still stuck using this emoticon

[Muzikman]

You can put a level 7 bolt on an X-Valve with no problem. So it's not the X-Valve that doesn't chop, it's the Level 10. Also, if tuned incorrectly a level 10 can chop. And the level 10 does not eliminate barrel breaks...no anti-chop device can do that. So it is still possible to break a ball.

As for the spin of a ball. Yes, paintball can spin when they come out of a barrel. It is not a controlled spin, there for it does nothing for the flight of the ball. Also, if you can see two tone paint spin as it leaves your barrel, it is spinning way too slow to make any difference at all. Think of it like a baseball. A fastball spins but not enough to make any real difference, the ball still travels in a relatively straight line. Now, a breaking ball has a lot more spin on it and because of that, it will curve. Paintball is pretty much the same thing.

Now for your idea that the barrel scores marks in the ball making it break easier, please take a picture of a non broken ball shot out of a hammerhead showing these marks. Then take that ball, drop it on a hard surface until it breaks. Then take another picture. I want to see if it breaks at one of these score marks. If it does not, then it would not be the scratch that caused it to break as the ball should break at its weakest point, which you state would be the score mark.

Also, we believe Tom as he has displayed the scientific method he used to collect the data. He did not just (as someone put it) write down numbers. Could Tom be wrong...sure he could, but until someone shows me PROOF that he is, then I trust his findings over marketing.

As Manike says... "Don't believe the hype."

[Target Practice]

Edit: Nevermind, no sense asking for something that won't be given.