Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

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  • Mike Smith
    Registered User
    • Aug 2002
    • 369

    #241
    I think a better question would be, if the Hammerhead barrel is putting axial spin on the ball, why would the ball curve?
    Bill, I haven't seen any of the balls curve except after a barrel break. And obviously, a break scatters paint randomly in a barrel, causing a random curve. And proving the point that spin can cause a paintball to curve and a paintball barrel is capable of spinning a paintball.

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    • Lohman446
      Useful posts: 7
      • Jun 2003
      • 9315

      #242
      Originally posted by Mike Smith
      Bill, I haven't seen any of the balls curve except after a barrel break. And obviously, a break scatters paint randomly in a barrel, causing a random curve. And proving the point that spin can cause a paintball to curve and a paintball barrel is capable of spinning a paintball.
      Those are long long steps. It proves the point that unevenly distributed paint on the outside of the shell can cause a paintball to curve. It does NOT prove that the barrel did it or is capable of it. Nor does it prove the point that a paintball can be spun in such a way to stabilize flight.
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      • hitech
        Not a shedder of vortices
        • Nov 2001
        • 4775

        #243
        Originally posted by Mike Smith
        Bill, I haven't seen any of the balls curve except after a barrel break.
        If the barrel is producing axial spin on the paintball then the paint in the barrel shouldn't matter (as the paintball is spinning about it's axis). Or are "you" claiming that the paint in the barrel interferes with the rifling?


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        • Army
          Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

          • Oct 2000
          • 5785

          #244
          Just to quickly get back to your spinning glass trick.

          If the Hammerhead barrel could possibly give any spin at all to the ball, in the brief moment the ball is in the rifled area. According to YOURS and Hammerheads unshown, unproven, and no-fact based assumptions, the shell and liquid spin at the same velocity?

          OK, now, spin the glass of water 1/4 turn at any speed you want (equates the ball time in the rifled portion of the barrel).....how fast is the water spinning?

          I've no engineering degree, but I have been involved in ballistic research for much of my professional life......and your theories have never held up to reality and honest physics.

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          • Lohman446
            Useful posts: 7
            • Jun 2003
            • 9315

            #245
            Originally posted by Army
            Just to quickly get back to your spinning glass trick.

            If the Hammerhead barrel could possibly give any spin at all to the ball, in the brief moment the ball is in the rifled area. According to YOURS and Hammerheads unshown, unproven, and no-fact based assumptions, the shell and liquid spin at the same velocity?

            OK, now, spin the glass of water 1/4 turn at any speed you want (equates the ball time in the rifled portion of the barrel).....how fast is the water spinning?

            I've no engineering degree, but I have been involved in ballistic research for much of my professional life......and your theories have never held up to reality and honest physics.

            Screw you Army... my base unrecorded and uncontrolled observations and unrecorded five years of research and development that I have been told about (but not actually involved in) is worth more than your base principles of physics, years of professional use, and documented scientific and controlled studies.
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            • magman007
              I <3 my Penis
              • Jun 2001
              • 7579

              #246
              BUAHAHAHA


              they tried taking the claim for the reverse porting! hahaha the pipe came out with that first if i recall correctly, and i love the whole, it allows for more air to get behind the ball idea... soo funny



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              • frop
                Easily Irritated
                • Feb 2004
                • 751

                #247
                Originally posted by magman007
                BUAHAHAHA


                they tried taking the claim for the reverse porting! hahaha the pipe came out with that first if i recall correctly, and i love the whole, it allows for more air to get behind the ball idea... soo funny
                Don't Pipe kits have forward-angled porting?
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                • Vex
                  Superiorly Inferior
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 1871

                  #248
                  Originally posted by Target Practice
                  To hell with that, man. This is great.
                  You're right, it does keep getting better. Keep it going, dudes!
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                  • magman007
                    I <3 my Penis
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 7579

                    #249
                    Originally posted by frop
                    Don't Pipe kits have forward-angled porting?

                    i seem to think i remember reading they had rearward porting, for the effect of making it quieter...



                    Originally posted by Tom in reffrence to a post saying he acted like my dad...
                    "That's right!
                    WHO'S YOUR DADDY!!"
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                    • Arson51
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2002
                      • 125

                      #250
                      hammerhead never did respond to my emails what should i do?

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                      • Spartan X
                        EviL Ambassador
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 1296

                        #251
                        Some one should post a pictures of that comic Doc Nickel made about it....Somthing like him standing behind a bunker with a dude shooting at him and fox...Doc says somthing about The Hammer head saying they act as if a paintball company has never tried rifled barrels before.....then he continues to through a Flash bang at the guy shooting at them
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                        • billmi
                          Tech Editor - WARPIG.com
                          • May 2001
                          • 810

                          #252
                          Originally posted by Army
                          Just to quickly get back to your spinning glass trick.

                          If the Hammerhead barrel could possibly give any spin at all to the ball, in the brief moment the ball is in the rifled area. According to YOURS and Hammerheads unshown, unproven, and no-fact based assumptions, the shell and liquid spin at the same velocity?

                          OK, now, spin the glass of water 1/4 turn at any speed you want (equates the ball time in the rifled portion of the barrel).....how fast is the water spinning?

                          I've no engineering degree, but I have been involved in ballistic research for much of my professional life......and your theories have never held up to reality and honest physics.
                          OK, now take a shot glass and fill it with pudding, and spin it 1/4 turn at any speed you want. How fast is the pudding spinning? Or better, as I discussed early in the thread - spin a real paintball.

                          We can spin lots of things made of lots of different materials, and the further they get from the viscosity, dimensions, and friction coeficients of paintball components, the worse a job they will do of modeling paintball behavior.

                          Just because a witch weighs the same as a duck does not mean she is made of wood.

                          Unless you're shooting a water filled Perfect Circle training ball, I don't see how the glass of water model comes close to demonstrating the inertia/friction ratios inside a paintball
                          Last edited by billmi; 06-22-2005, 11:54 AM.

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                          • Target Practice
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                            • Nov 2003
                            • 3180

                            #253
                            Originally posted by billmi
                            I don't see how the glass of water model comes close to demonstrating the inertia/friction ratios inside a paintball
                            Because the viscosity of paint is close enough to water for our purposes.


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                            • hitech
                              Not a shedder of vortices
                              • Nov 2001
                              • 4775

                              #254
                              Originally posted by Target Practice
                              Because the viscosity of paint is close enough to water for our purposes.


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                              • Hexis
                                Green Mag Freak
                                • Sep 2001
                                • 2427

                                #255
                                Originally posted by billmi
                                Just because a witch weighs the same as a duck does not mean she is made of wood.
                                We should build a bridge out of paintballs? Then can we burn 'em!?!

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