Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

[magman007]

Y'all are posting proof that spin will affect paintballs and a barrel can and does impart spin on a paintball. What's to argue?

the fact that it has no measurable effect on the linear plain

[WARPED1]

Y'all are posting proof that spin will affect paintballs and a barrel can and does impart spin on a paintball. What's to argue?

Just face it, the barrel does not do what it claims, and is just like any other aluminum tube.

[hitech]

Y'all are posting proof that spin will affect paintballs and a barrel can and does impart spin on a paintball. What's to argue?

Whether axial spin (spinning about it's axis, in this case the axis is parallel to the flight path) has any affect on the trajectory of the paintball. We have all conceded that it is possible to spin a paintball and that spin perpendicular to the flight path (ala the flatline) does have an effect on the trajectory of the paintball. However, axial spin does NOT. We also argue that the hammerhead is NOT capable of producing axial spin, regardless of whether it has any effect.

[Army]

Y'all are posting proof that spin will affect paintballs and a barrel can and does impart spin on a paintball. What's to argue?

Yes, a certain barrel can impart a predictable spin on a ball.....and it's not made by Hammerhead!

[WARPED1]

Yes, a certain barrel can impart a predictable spin on a ball.....and it's not made by Hammerhead!

HERE HERE!

[Target Practice]

Yes, a certain barrel can impart a predictable spin on a ball.....and it's not made by Hammerhead!

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06-23-2005, 10:18 PM

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06-23-2005, 10:39 PM

I hit your marquee! Do I win a prize?

Nope!

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06-23-2005, 10:59 PM

Whether axial spin (spinning about it's axis, in this case the axis is parallel to the flight path) has any affect on the trajectory of the paintball. We have all conceded that it is possible to spin a paintball and that spin perpendicular to the flight path (ala the flatline) does have an effect on the trajectory of the paintball. However, axial spin does NOT. We also argue that the hammerhead is NOT capable of producing axial spin, regardless of whether it has any effect.

I think two things are being argued:

1. Spin's ability to alter trajectory.
2. Spin's ability to keep trajectory stable and/or consistent.

The Hammerhead claims #2. Curving paintballs concerns #1. #1 is not the same as #2... and this is being confused.

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06-24-2005, 06:04 AM

Go back and re-read the first of this thread. and then read pages 9 & 10. Who's changed their stories? And where is this headed? {People with analytical abilities will see where it's headed}

I'm just letting y'all "take the walk". {no spin, hammerhead cannot spin, 30,000 rpm's = no effect, random spin, broken paint spin, flatline spin, spin happens, ....}

Y'all are getting there.

Is that a ditch behind me?

I'm old... I'm slow...
And I can't see very well...
Is this gun I borrowed any good?

{heh heh heh}

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#296

06-24-2005, 09:36 AM

hammerhead cannot spin

The hammerhead cannot put significant AXIAL spin on the ball.

30,000 rpm's = no effect

30k rpm of AXIAL spin

random spin

flatline spin

Yes. It is 90 degrees off AXIAL spin and produces lift. In essence it makes the ball curve.

spin happens

Yes. Most barrels produce well under the amount of spin that has any measurable effect on the paintballs trajectory. Read miscues post, there is a HUGE difference in the effect spin has based on the orientation of the paintballs axis. Since the hammerhead claimed to produce AXIAL spin (the ONLY type that CAN improve accuracy), THAT is what everyone directed their comments at.

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06-24-2005, 09:42 AM

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's working because you guys are still posting.

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06-24-2005, 09:52 AM

Not to mention, Hammerhead Barrels are way over priced for what you get. A bunch of tiny bore inserts that will actually make your marker less efficient and a funky looking barrel.

I bet it would make a great fistpack however.

the only reason I can see them ( hammerhead) charging a bizzilion pesos for a barrel is hype(yes that word) and the fact that they think that using a pull through broach( the tool that cuts rifleing) is hard.

Broaches are some of the easier tools to use in the machining industry.

the only thing I like about the barrel is the reverse porting, so people cant hear you coming.

more than likely after a hopper, you wont be able to hear them coming either.

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06-24-2005, 10:59 AM

It's working because you guys are still posting.

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06-24-2005, 11:06 AM

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's working because you guys are still posting.

But dad, that's what forums are for! Random internet arguing!

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06-23-2005, 10:39 PM

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06-23-2005, 10:59 PM

Whether axial spin (spinning about it's axis, in this case the axis is parallel to the flight path) has any affect on the trajectory of the paintball. We have all conceded that it is possible to spin a paintball and that spin perpendicular to the flight path (ala the flatline) does have an effect on the trajectory of the paintball. However, axial spin does NOT. We also argue that the hammerhead is NOT capable of producing axial spin, regardless of whether it has any effect.

I think two things are being argued:

1. Spin's ability to alter trajectory.
2. Spin's ability to keep trajectory stable and/or consistent.

The Hammerhead claims #2. Curving paintballs concerns #1. #1 is not the same as #2... and this is being confused.

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06-24-2005, 06:04 AM

Go back and re-read the first of this thread. and then read pages 9 & 10. Who's changed their stories? And where is this headed? {People with analytical abilities will see where it's headed}

I'm just letting y'all "take the walk". {no spin, hammerhead cannot spin, 30,000 rpm's = no effect, random spin, broken paint spin, flatline spin, spin happens, ....}

Y'all are getting there.

Is that a ditch behind me?

I'm old... I'm slow...
And I can't see very well...
Is this gun I borrowed any good?

{heh heh heh}

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06-24-2005, 09:36 AM

hammerhead cannot spin

The hammerhead cannot put significant AXIAL spin on the ball.

30,000 rpm's = no effect

30k rpm of AXIAL spin

random spin

flatline spin

Yes. It is 90 degrees off AXIAL spin and produces lift. In essence it makes the ball curve.

spin happens

Yes. Most barrels produce well under the amount of spin that has any measurable effect on the paintballs trajectory. Read miscues post, there is a HUGE difference in the effect spin has based on the orientation of the paintballs axis. Since the hammerhead claimed to produce AXIAL spin (the ONLY type that CAN improve accuracy), THAT is what everyone directed their comments at.

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06-24-2005, 09:42 AM

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's working because you guys are still posting.

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06-24-2005, 09:52 AM

Not to mention, Hammerhead Barrels are way over priced for what you get. A bunch of tiny bore inserts that will actually make your marker less efficient and a funky looking barrel.

I bet it would make a great fistpack however.

the only reason I can see them ( hammerhead) charging a bizzilion pesos for a barrel is hype(yes that word) and the fact that they think that using a pull through broach( the tool that cuts rifleing) is hard.

Broaches are some of the easier tools to use in the machining industry.

the only thing I like about the barrel is the reverse porting, so people cant hear you coming.

more than likely after a hopper, you wont be able to hear them coming either.

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06-24-2005, 10:59 AM

It's working because you guys are still posting.

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06-24-2005, 11:06 AM

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's working because you guys are still posting.

But dad, that's what forums are for! Random internet arguing!

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Nope!

[Miscue]

Whether axial spin (spinning about it's axis, in this case the axis is parallel to the flight path) has any affect on the trajectory of the paintball. We have all conceded that it is possible to spin a paintball and that spin perpendicular to the flight path (ala the flatline) does have an effect on the trajectory of the paintball. However, axial spin does NOT. We also argue that the hammerhead is NOT capable of producing axial spin, regardless of whether it has any effect.

I think two things are being argued:

1. Spin's ability to alter trajectory.
2. Spin's ability to keep trajectory stable and/or consistent.

The Hammerhead claims #2. Curving paintballs concerns #1. #1 is not the same as #2... and this is being confused.

[Mike Smith]

Go back and re-read the first of this thread. and then read pages 9 & 10. Who's changed their stories? And where is this headed? {People with analytical abilities will see where it's headed}

I'm just letting y'all "take the walk". {no spin, hammerhead cannot spin, 30,000 rpm's = no effect, random spin, broken paint spin, flatline spin, spin happens, ....}

Y'all are getting there.

[hitech]

hammerhead cannot spin

The hammerhead cannot put significant AXIAL spin on the ball.

30,000 rpm's = no effect

30k rpm of AXIAL spin

random spin

flatline spin

Yes. It is 90 degrees off AXIAL spin and produces lift. In essence it makes the ball curve.

spin happens

Yes. Most barrels produce well under the amount of spin that has any measurable effect on the paintballs trajectory. Read miscues post, there is a HUGE difference in the effect spin has based on the orientation of the paintballs axis. Since the hammerhead claimed to produce AXIAL spin (the ONLY type that CAN improve accuracy), THAT is what everyone directed their comments at.

[TheTramp]

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's working because you guys are still posting.

[aut911]

Not to mention, Hammerhead Barrels are way over priced for what you get. A bunch of tiny bore inserts that will actually make your marker less efficient and a funky looking barrel.

I bet it would make a great fistpack however.

the only reason I can see them ( hammerhead) charging a bizzilion pesos for a barrel is hype(yes that word) and the fact that they think that using a pull through broach( the tool that cuts rifleing) is hard.

Broaches are some of the easier tools to use in the machining industry.

the only thing I like about the barrel is the reverse porting, so people cant hear you coming.

more than likely after a hopper, you wont be able to hear them coming either.

aut

[hitech]

It's working because you guys are still posting.

[WARPED1]

Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. It's working because you guys are still posting.

But dad, that's what forums are for! Random internet arguing!