Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

[Miscue]

And Lohman446, are you attempting to state that the Hammerhead barrel defies logic, physics, and existing data? That is a false premise, in case you didn't "clue" into it. I used mine all weekend long and it never once defied any form of logic, physics, or any published data about launching paintballs out of Mags...

You know... I was playing poker with space invaders from the Klingon home world all weekend long. And my assertions and personal experience are all that is needed to prove it, or at least explain why it is likely to be true...

BTW... it's false "conclusion." Premises are what you use to arrive at a conclusion.

[Mike Smith]

Who am I gonna believe? My lying eyes or lohman's "physics"....

Hmmmmm.. tough choice.

[Lohman446]

Who am I gonna believe? My lying eyes or lohman's "physics"....

Hmmmmm.. tough choice.

LMAO.. yeh, because your eyes make physics worthless. On the plus side your arguments get more and more interesting with each post...

Measurements obtained using scientific standards, equipment, and data recording, or your eyes that "see" things that are travelling at 300FPS. Guess where I would place my money.

[Muzikman]

Is it me, or did he just skip over my post?

[Target Practice]

Is it me, or did he just skip over my post?

He skipped it, looks like. That's okay, he skipped over my correction of his stupid "Xvavle" comment.

[Mike Smith]

Yes, I did ignore your post, muzikman. For the past year all X-valves that I have seen or heard of had the level 10 bolt. It's standard equipment, per AGD's web page. But that is a minor point that some people must whine about...

And, if the paintball coming out of the end of my barrel is spinning so slow that it doesn't make any difference, why does it curve? Especially (and most notably) after a ball break?

I have 20 paintballs on the desk behind me that have been shot out of my Hammerhead. All of them are scratched. Too bad I don't have a camera capable of taking the pictures of the scratches. I need a good macro camera. (For you sycophants that will cry about 20 being too few, all I need is 1 to disprove your little theories...)

[Target Practice]

1 to disprove your little theories...)

Again, no, you don't. 1 doesn't mean a damn thing.

[Miscue]

Yes, I did ignore your post, muzikman. For the past year all X-valves that I have seen or heard of had the level 10 bolt. It's standard equipment, per AGD's web page. But that is a minor point that some people must whine about...

And, if the paintball coming out of the end of my barrel is spinning so slow that it doesn't make any difference, why does it curve? Especially (and most notably) after a ball break?

I have 20 paintballs on the desk behind me that have been shot out of my Hammerhead. All of them are scratched. Too bad I don't have a camera capable of taking the pictures of the scratches. I need a good macro camera. (For you sycophants that will cry about 20 being too few, all I need is 1 to disprove your little theories...)

You are talking about spin that changes flight path, versus spin that stabilizes flight path. In the first, Magnus effect comes into play. In the second... gyroscopic stabilization, etc. These are two separate applications of spin - they are not the same issue.

How did you retrieve those balls? Did you inspect the balls before they were shot? What do cuts have to do with proving that the rifling works? All that has been demonstrated (if you can demonstrate it) is that it has scored the ball.

Actually... you have it in reverse. If you are claiming consistency... then you should get the same results all 20 times. One counter-example would bring doubt to the claims of consistency.

[Vex]

Insane Post #1:

For the Tom Kaye sycophants, explain the hype about the x-valve not chopping balls.

Sane Reply:

No one ever claimed that the X-Valve would not chop balls--LEVEL 10 is the anti-chop upgrade...
I see how closely you pay attention. When the L10 is tuned properly, it will not chop paint, or fingers, tongues, etc...

Insane Post #2:

Dude... What comes standard with the x-valve? You're info is defective (as usual).

Sane Reply #1:

You don't get it. Xvalve != Level 10. I have Level 10 on my classic-valved MicroMags.
The Xvalve does not prevent chopping. Level 10 does. Just because they are sold together doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Sane Reply #2:

Mike,
The "X-Valve" is just an Aluminum version of the RT-valve. The Level 10 was a seperate development. It was not developed as "part of" the X-"valve" system. AGD just included it with all new guns that came with the X-Valve.

Insane Post #3:

And the x-valve comes equipped with the level 10, that's why it's called an "X"-valve ( hint... X = roman numeral 10)...

Sane Reply #1:

Again, you are wrong. You should probably check this out before you post. The Xvalve and Level 10 are two completely different things.
They are called "X" valves because they first appeared on the Extreme Emag, which was shortend to "X-mag".

Sane Reply #2:

You can put a level 7 bolt on an X-Valve with no problem. So it's not the X-Valve that doesn't chop, it's the Level 10. Also, if tuned incorrectly a level 10 can chop. And the level 10 does not eliminate barrel breaks...no anti-chop device can do that. So it is still possible to break a ball.

Insane Post #4:

Yes, I did ignore your post, muzikman. For the past year all X-valves that I have seen or heard of had the level 10 bolt. It's standard equipment, per AGD's web page. But that is a minor point that some people must whine about...

Sane Reply (posted by insane poster):

You can easily find all this out by simply re-reading this thread. Why did you need me to "hold your hand"? Too busy to re-read the thread?

[Vex]

Oh, no, I understand/agree with you. I was elaborating.

Rock on!

[frop]

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Sane Reply (posted by insane poster):

You're insane for doing all those quotes! :)

[Vex]

You're insane for doing all those quotes! :)

Yeah, I know. I wouldn't have had to (re)post those if someone wouldn't argue a moot point...

[Vex]

Looks like our good neighbors down under even bought the hype:

http://www.velocitypaintball.com.au/cyborg.html

[Miscue]

You know... I buy Lapco barrels because of the unnecessary high levels of workmanship... and Colin talks about his products as something he is proud of... and about how well it is machined. Now, I can appreciate that. He doesn't hype his stuff with odd claims.

It doesn't shoot any better than a PVC pipe with threads, but I can appreciate the quality regardless... and it makes me feel good... I know full well my stock barrel works the same. That's why I put a Lapco Snapshot on my main gun. I'm also glad that he used a long control bore, and did not go crazy with the porting...

I like the way the Hammerhead barrel looks... and like the reverse porting. The vid with the smoke showing that the reverse porting works is cool... and I can appreciate that. And, I like that it's not one of those "mainstream" barrels that all the kiddies get.

My first impression of it was... that's retarded... $100 for a barrel tip... and it comes with a 2" barrel. But I liked the look of it... and the reverse porting was kinda cool. The whole thing had a unique look to it. If they had a longer control bore, I would have been interested in it.

This was... until the guy at the booth opened his mouth and talked about the barrel. Either they really believed it and have their heads up their butts, or they thought their customers were stupid. Regardless, I didn't want to buy from these guys.

If I'm gonna burn $100 on a metal tube... I'd rather it go towards a beer for someone like Colin... than these turd burglars.

[frop]

You know... I buy Lapco barrels because of the unnecessary high levels of workmanship... and Colin talks about his products as something he is proud of... and about how well it is machined. Now, I can appreciate that. He doesn't hype his stuff with odd claims.

It doesn't shoot any better than a PVC pipe with threads, but I can appreciate the quality regardless... and it makes me feel good... I know full well my stock barrel works the same. That's why I put a Lapco Snapshot on my main gun. I'm also glad that he used a long control bore, and did not go crazy with the porting...

I like the way the Hammerhead barrel looks... and like the reverse porting. The vid with the smoke showing that the reverse porting works is cool... and I can appreciate that. And, I like that it's not one of those "mainstream" barrels that all the kiddies get.

My first impression of it was... that's retarded... $100 for a barrel tip... and it comes with a 2" barrel. But I liked the look of it... and the reverse porting was kinda cool. The whole thing had a unique look to it. If they had a longer control bore, I would have been interested in it.

This was... until the guy at the booth opened his mouth and talked about the barrel. Either they really believed it and have their heads up their butts, or they thought their customers were stupid. Regardless, I didn't want to buy from these guys.

If I'm gonna burn $100 on a metal tube... I'd rather it go towards a beer for someone like Colin... than these turd burglars.

$50+ for a back or tip sucks too, but I love how beautiful it is. If someone had the money, they could have more bore sizes than a Freak w/ the SS. I need to save to buy even one back for my SS

Lapco quality rocks! If I ever have the funds, I'll buy a Grey Ghost too, whenever he gets them out.