Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

[Miscue]

$50+ for a back or tip sucks too, but I love how beautiful it is. If someone had the money, they could have more bore sizes than a Freak w/ the SS. I need to save to buy even one back for my SS

Lapco quality rocks! If I ever have the funds, I'll buy a Grey Ghost too, whenever he gets them out.

Yeah... we pay a lot of freakin' money for stuff that doesn't really do much, eh?

It's kind of funny how high margin certain things are in paintball.

[SlartyBartFast]

Yeah... we pay a lot of freakin' money for stuff that doesn't really do much, eh?

It's kind of funny how high margin certain things are in paintball.

It's more amazing how gullible players are.

At least now I know where you PVC dig in my barrel thread comes from. But on that point I have to disagree. My early paintball days were played exclusively with Splatmasters. And when you get that many barrel breaks when you're shooting that low a fps, I think there's enough proof that PVC barrels ARE NOT as good as anything else.

And Mike: I think it's time to adjust the medication.

[billmi]

And, if the paintball coming out of the end of my barrel is spinning so slow that it doesn't make any difference, why does it curve? Especially (and most notably) after a ball break?

I think a better question would be, if the Hammerhead barrel is putting axial spin on the ball, why would the ball curve? Especially after a ball break, considering that curved flight paths are typically caused by lift generated by the ball spinning in some axis other than the path of flight (like tipping a Flatline to the side to cause a hook shot)?

In all the talk of rifling pros/cons of rifling, that's one thing I don't see mentioned much. If you can create spin on an axis parallel to the flight path consistently, then you won't have random spin causing hook shots.

[Muzikman]

Yes, I did ignore your post, muzikman. For the past year all X-valves that I have seen or heard of had the level 10 bolt. It's standard equipment, per AGD's web page. But that is a minor point that some people must whine about...

And, if the paintball coming out of the end of my barrel is spinning so slow that it doesn't make any difference, why does it curve? Especially (and most notably) after a ball break?

I have 20 paintballs on the desk behind me that have been shot out of my Hammerhead. All of them are scratched. Too bad I don't have a camera capable of taking the pictures of the scratches. I need a good macro camera. (For you sycophants that will cry about 20 being too few, all I need is 1 to disprove your little theories...)

The Level 10 is what prevents "most" chops, not the X-Valve. Simple as that.

A slow spinning paintball will not curve, a fast spinning will. So, now what you are saying is that since the hammerhead causes the ball to spin then it must cause it to curve, which in my mind would not make a good barrel.

Send me 5 of the 20 balls. I would like to see them, I would like to compare the marks. Also, is this feature actually one that the company states? I could not find it on their website as a feature.

I also liked this line.
"The HammerHead barrel is the most technologically advanced paintball barrel tube in the industry today."

[billmi]

Looks like our good neighbors down under even bought the hype:
http://www.velocitypaintball.com.au/cyborg.html

And added some too...

These features are among the reasons that professional players around the world rely upon Cyborgs...

What pro players would those be?

[SlartyBartFast]

(For you sycophants that will cry about 20 being too few, all I need is 1 to disprove your little theories...)

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

1 bad shot out of a hammerhead and all your little theories and beliefs are crap too. Deal?

And why does a ball curve after a ball break? Get real, that one is OBVIOUS. Because there's a glob of liquid on the surface of the ball that is inducing insane amounts of drag and thus inducing a LARGE and randomly orientated spin.

[SlartyBartFast]

A slow spinning paintball will not curve, a fast spinning will. So, now what you are saying is that since the hammerhead causes the ball to spin then it must cause it to curve, which in my mind would not make a good barrel.

But a curve is caused by rapid spin on an axis that is vertical and perpendicular to the direction of flight.

Spin stabilisation from rifling is from spin on an axis parallel to the direction of flight.

Extra range or lift, as per the tippmann flatline, is on an axis that is horizontal and perpendicular to the diection of flight.

And scratches? the pathetic argumentation/trolling/my beleifs are better than your science has devolved down to a claim that even the manufacturer doesn't make?

Ok Mike, do a drop test with your 20 scratched balls and 20 unfired balls from the same case. Tell us the bounce count.

And tell us how you fired and caught the balls to rule out damage to them by impact.

[Vex]

These features are among the reasons that professional players around the world rely upon Cyborgs...

What pro players would those be?

Well, MacDev is an Austrailian company, so I can understand them being proud of that; and the average rec player doesn't know the difference. On the other hand, the Cyborg is pretty fast and it looks nice.

[Vex]

I just watched the Hammerhead video with my 6 year old son (who loves paintball--no, he doesn't play yet). When the video was done, my son calmly said, "That wasn't a very good video."
I have to agree...it left a lot to be desired. It just showed pictures of their website and and a few people shooting.
The reverse porting is cool though.

Anyway, if the rifled barrel really works, then why hasn't every other barrel manufacturer figured this out? Hmm...maybe it's because IT'S TOTAL B.S.!!


I vote that this thread be closed.

[hitech]

Who am I gonna believe? My lying eyes or lohman's "physics"....

Hmmmmm.. tough choice.

You've never experienced an optical illusion? The eyes are easy to fool. And it's not Lohman's physics, it's Tom's testing data and results.

[hitech]

I think a better question would be, if the Hammerhead barrel is putting axial spin on the ball, why would the ball curve? Especially after a ball break, considering that curved flight paths are typically caused by lift generated by the ball spinning in some axis other than the path of flight (like tipping a Flatline to the side to cause a hook shot)?

In all the talk of rifling pros/cons of rifling, that's one thing I don't see mentioned much. If you can create spin on an axis parallel to the flight path consistently, then you won't have random spin causing hook shots.

[Hexis]

Yeah... we pay a lot of freakin' money for stuff that doesn't really do much, eh?

I sure did, but I love my longbow. I don't remember any crazy claims about their stuff other than "It's cool because it's titanium". And it's all true.

[SlartyBartFast]

You've never experienced an optical illusion? The eyes are easy to fool. And it's not Lohman's physics, it's Tom's testing data and results.

The physics are neither TK's, not Lohman's.

They're God's universal laws as discovered by Galileo, Newton, Mayevski, and countless others.

Just noting...


project.seas.gwu.edu/~fsagmae/papers/AIAA-99-3806.pdf

https://www.mae.cornell.edu/fdrl/publications/JGW2001.pdf

http://aerodyn.org/Unsteady/unsteady.html

[Lohman446]

The physics are neither TK's, not Lohman's.

They're God's universal laws as discovered by Galileo, Newton, Mayevski, and countless others.

Just noting...

Hey.. you let that be, I was just now trying to patent them so I could charge all y'all a usary fee

[Target Practice]

I vote that this thread be closed.

To hell with that, man. This is great.