Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

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  • WARPED1
    I'm a pirate, ARRRRRRRRRR!
    • Nov 2001
    • 7458

    #316
    Originally posted by frop
    You're the SP fanboi, duh. AO hates SP right?
    That must be it! :) Just because I don't think the mag is STILL the best gun. It was in 1990.
    [Something Cool is Here]

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    • "the FitZ"
      Registered User
      • Dec 2003
      • 171

      #317
      Hey Mike smith says the balls have noticable scratches on them. Someone else mentioned they had been shooting people all weekend while he was catching bounces. Maybe there is a connection. pre-scored paintballs break easier at further distances. sounds good to me.

      Whoever did the test comparson to CP and ultralight says 0 breaks in the barrel. good. and he also came to the conclusion that they averaged more hits on the pole or w/e. sounds like good accuracy.

      I think you should leave the spin and crap alone. all it is promoting is *****yness and jackassery. So just go clean out your barrels w/ brake clean and play some ball! This may end up being a good barrel after all.
      Shocker=spyder that shoots out it's butt

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      • shartley
        paintball player
        • Mar 2001
        • 9169

        #318
        Originally posted by the FitZ
        I think you should leave the spin and crap alone. all it is promoting is *****yness and jackassery. So just go clean out your barrels w/ brake clean and play some ball! This may end up being a good barrel after all.

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        • SlartyBartFast
          The Flying Scotsman
          • Jun 2002
          • 2940

          #319
          Originally posted by Lenny
          Wow. I'm surprised to see that no one took note the the most power the ball recieves is between 1" and 6" of the barrel.
          True. But irrelevant.

          Cars also accelerate faster in the first portion of 0-100. But without the last longer push they'd never reach 100. Check the graph here: http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ed..._technobabble/
          Originally posted by Lenny
          The rest of it is just control over the guidance of theflight path,
          Originally posted by Lenny
          and possibly noise reduction,
          No.
          Well, maybe...
          At least not only noise reduction. Lower noise may or may not be a result of better efficiency. The air is at a lower pressure behind the ball when the ball leaves the barrel. In current two piece barrels, lower noise may not be due to efficiency as more air can make it past the ball in the larger diameter part of the barrel.

          Originally posted by Lenny
          and a bit of accuracy.
          No. :rolleyes Longer barrels are not more accurate or more precise.

          Originally posted by Lenny
          The reason for porting is so that the air will vent, disallowing it to create too much turbulance on the ball.
          Originally posted by Lenny
          For the most part, 7" - 20" barrels will get about the same distance due to velocity and the fact that all paintballs weigh relatively the same (Flatline not included).
          Originally posted by Lenny
          Tell him to shove that in his Hammer Head and smoke it (I would've said Pipe, but Evil makes that).
          That I can at least agree with you on.
          Last edited by SlartyBartFast; 06-27-2005, 07:56 AM.

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          • osustevie
            Registered User
            • Jul 2004
            • 25

            #320
            I cant believe I read the whole thread!

            I bought a hammerhead kit at paintball expo Ohio earlier this month. I talked to Robert Judson for a few minutes. I felt he believed in what he was saying. I bought a 5 fin kit for my chipley S5 for $150.00. I really like it. I felt it helped improve my accuracy. I have recommended it to friends. In my opinion it is a good barrel kit. I tried it, I liked it. Thats all I have to say.

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            • Lohman446
              Useful posts: 7
              • Jun 2003
              • 9315

              #321
              Originally posted by osustevie
              I cant believe I read the whole thread!

              I bought a hammerhead kit at paintball expo Ohio earlier this month. I talked to Robert Judson for a few minutes. I felt he believed in what he was saying. I bought a 5 fin kit for my chipley S5 for $150.00. I really like it. I felt it helped improve my accuracy. I have recommended it to friends. In my opinion it is a good barrel kit. I tried it, I liked it. Thats all I have to say.

              This may be true, it may be a great barrel kit and I don't doubt for a minute you like it, and the sales staff may very well beleive what they are saying. However, the point is that the hammerhead does not have any design feature that would indicate it could impart consistant axial spin to the ball, the secondary argument is that axial spin has little to no effect anyways.
              "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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              • Muzikman
                Everything AGD
                • Dec 2000
                • 6229

                #322
                hmm, OSUSteve, I didn't know you were on AO too. I see you only got 16 posts...so I'll use this thread to say welcome!.

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                • osustevie
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 25

                  #323
                  Originally posted by Muzikman
                  hmm, OSUSteve, I didn't know you were on AO too. I see you only got 16 posts...so I'll use this thread to say welcome!.
                  Hi Muzikman, Yeah I get around. See you at IAO, go team POG!

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                  • Mike Smith
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 369

                    #324
                    {yea, this will take a while, folks...}

                    Well this won't take long. Repeat comments like that and you will be unable to answer for a while, there are better ways to put your point of view across...your now deleted post was not one of them....MarkM
                    Last edited by MarkM; 06-27-2005, 04:47 PM.

                    Is that a ditch behind me?

                    I'm old... I'm slow...
                    And I can't see very well...
                    Is this gun I borrowed any good?

                    {heh heh heh}

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                    • SLICEnDICE
                      Tech Head
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 126

                      #325
                      Time for a field test

                      Why doesn't someone do an indepth feild test. Put the gun in a shooting vice so it does not move from shot to shot, hook up a scuba tank to the air cylinder so you do not have to keep refilling it over the test period, it also would keep the pressure more constant throughout the test, and test many different barrel types at the same velocity. None of this bs of twenty shots and it shot good crap. If I had a couple of barel kits I woud do it my self, but I don't. I have the chrony, the scuba tanks and a field I can use whenever I want.
                      No hype, No BS, just the truth.

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                      • Mike Smith
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 369

                        #326
                        Awwww... Mark...

                        That was a carefully chosen word to accurately describe the poster I was responding to. There was no malicious intent, nor was there any animosity. It was a simple, thoughtful description of that person, based on his intentional misrepresentation of what I had posted.

                        Is there a list of words that are frowned upon? I didn't see them in the FAQ.

                        Is that a ditch behind me?

                        I'm old... I'm slow...
                        And I can't see very well...
                        Is this gun I borrowed any good?

                        {heh heh heh}

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                        • Muzikman
                          Everything AGD
                          • Dec 2000
                          • 6229

                          #327
                          Calling someone mentally challenged would be flaming and flaming is frowned upon.

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                          • Arson51
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 125

                            #328
                            Don, my name is Robert Judson. I am President of Hammerhead and was talking with Justin with Hammerhead. I just returned from Europe and Justin inidicated you two had a conversion while at D-day that may have been misunderstood or perhaps properly miscommunicated. We apologize for that.I can make myself available if you would like to discuss any questions or issues you might have.The Hammerhead barrel is unique. I will be glad to explain exactly how it works with you if you truly want to know. Rotation is key, not spinning, counterboring is essensial as is the reverse porting and the length of the sizers. All of the elements are required to make the barrel perform.If you are interested in talking with me, my cell is ***-***-****. I am not trying to sell you a barrel. I do care to communicate with you in a positive and helpful way if you would like. Thanks so muchRobert Judson P.E.PS: I am a Design Build contractor and travel all over the US and the World designing and building food plants. I travel a lot, so if I do not get back with you immediately, please understand that it is not my preference.

                            Edit: Removed phone # - Miscue
                            Last edited by Miscue; 07-28-2005, 08:15 PM.

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                            • m20power
                              Registered User
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 136

                              #329
                              I dont feel like reading 11 pages of mindless drivel.
                              All I wanted to say was in response to something I saw on the first page where someone said a bullet can kill you due to inertia, and therefore a paintball coming out with more inertia will travel farther.

                              I did fail physics last semester so call me a moron if I am wrong, but I thought that two paintballs that were shaped the exact same, weighted the same, and exited a barrel at the same speed, would have the same inertia.

                              People use a stock spyder barrel and upgrade to an armson and think that rifling is what gives them accuracy when they really havent used a high end barrel before.
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                              • Miscue
                                Super Moderator

                                • Oct 2000
                                • 7105

                                #330
                                Originally posted by m20power
                                I dont feel like reading 11 pages of mindless drivel.
                                All I wanted to say was in response to something I saw on the first page where someone said a bullet can kill you due to inertia, and therefore a paintball coming out with more inertia will travel farther.

                                I did fail physics last semester so call me a moron if I am wrong, but I thought that two paintballs that were shaped the exact same, weighted the same, and exited a barrel at the same speed, would have the same inertia.

                                People use a stock spyder barrel and upgrade to an armson and think that rifling is what gives them accuracy when they really havent used a high end barrel before.
                                Inertia is related to an object's mass... not size, shape, velocity, or otherwise.

                                Saying that a bullet can kill you due to its inertia is kind of a stupid thing to say...

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