The PTP Choke.

[neppo1345]

A. Pissing and moaning never gets anything done

B. Does anyone from AGD even read the threads anymore?

C. Pissing and moaning only psses people off....look how it destroyed our connection with RR

D. If it made RR feel that way, and we direct it at AGD...and someone actually still reads the threads...well...they just might not like to too much....

[phantomhitman]

A. Pissing and moaning never gets anything done
In small numbers it doesnt, get a huge group together and they cannot ignore you

B. Does anyone from AGD even read the threads anymore?
yes, yes they do

C. Pissing and moaning only psses people off....look how it destroyed our connection with RR
no, idiots "destroyed that" by trying to get greedy instead of helping others out

D. If it made RR feel that way, and we direct it at AGD...and someone actually still reads the threads...well...they just might not like to too much....
You have to help the process along, no matter how long and grueling it may be.

You have to try

[Lohman446]

You have to try

Or these message boards become a liability to AGD rather than an assett - and frankly I think they have quit being an assett and they are only here out of TKs kindness. When it becomes an annoyance it may simply cease to exist.

[neppo1345]

Yeah...of course you have to try....just not through whining and moaning....
Not be rude...but whining and crying may have gotten your parents to do things for you when you were 5-10, but these sure as hell arent your parents...

If RR were still here we might have some kind of fighting chance at making some kind of pitch from the inside...but everyone drove him away....

The only thing i could still see working are emails...not begging....yelling...b*******....or cursing but asking, inquiring whats going on with production....whats happening with the technology...please be civil...cause acting childish like everyone has been doing with this thread will get you no where with a company...

even if they dont send an email back or send one saying they dont plan on producing it, at least they know that people have an interest...now they have a reason...they'll know they SOME kind of market...as long as they can see some kind of profit will come from it...they might build it...

Or these message boards become a liability to AGD rather than an assett - and frankly I think they have quit being an assett and they are only here out of TKs kindness. When it becomes an annoyance it may simply cease to exist.

Yeah....thats exactly what i was trying to say Loh...

[phantomhitman]

Do you think ptp or fireblade, gadevil, rogue, or logic is the only thing keeping agd around? It may seem so in the forums but in th big picture the answer is no. AGD seems to have nothing new to say or post, so go talk to them. There is no way that a custom machinist (or even all of them together) could resurect agd. Maybe they are done developing, maybe they have something secret under wraps. It is quite apparent no one complained, or even took the time to make a thread without arguing asking agd what the deal is.
Here is my question, what is the complaint? No new gun, no pneumatic mech trigger, no new agd development, what exactly is the problem?

[rabidchihauhau]

Q: How many tournament players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Who's gonna sponsor the effin lightbulb?

Q: How many amateur players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Let's see if we can buy the pro team's used lightbulbs for cheap...

Q: How many novice players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: We need a lightbulb? No one told us we needed a lightbulb! Where's the credit card?

Q: How many rookie players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: No less than two, provided they can fit inside the lightbulb...

[SCpoloRicker]

To Infinity and Beyond!

[phantomhitman]

How many scenario guys does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
First you have to make a story as to why they are changing it, preferably something so unbelievable that it takes people to dress up or at least 400 spec ops guy to pull off, and you also change the name of the lightbulb to ultimate illuminance device. They buy inexpensive lightbulb changing equipment and try to upgrade to be just as good as high end equipment with the same features that they hate to begin with. You sneak around the lightbulb gathering parts to create the ultimate bfg2000 lighbulb changing gun. When you finally get to the lightbulb you find 2.6 million lightbulb campers ready to defend the ultimate illuinance device and will not move one single inch regardless of the 300 acres around them. Through all the sneaking, collecting, gathering, communicating, they all just charge each other 6 hours into the lightbulb excursion and everyone loses in the end. Meanwhile, SolidLightbulb secretly dug a tunnel to the lightbulb and stole it 10 minutes into the game and is sitting in his base bragging about how many people he bulbsnipered to get it and how stupid lightbulb tournaments are.

I like lightbulb arguements

[Bad_Knees]

Patent Number can be found on the first post

Air Assisted Trigger thread

[Muzikman]

why hasnt anyone suggested that we go after agd? this is agd's only fanbase so why doesnt gt go and make a thread saying agd give us what we want? if you get all those that *****ed and moaned here to ***** and moan in that thread than im sure someone high up from agd will say, hey maybe we can make a new gun out of this.

Personally, I think this what caused a lot of problems with AGD. They did listen to the customers and then the customers left them hanging. I think if AGD-USA just stuck to what they did and did things at their own pace there would have been a lot less wasted money. There are quite a few products that AO wanted, AGD made and then AO had no interest.

[Lohman446]

Personally, I think this what caused a lot of problems with AGD. They did listen to the customers and then the customers left them hanging. I think if AGD-USA just stuck to what they did and did things at their own pace there would have been a lot less wasted money. There are quite a few products that AO wanted, AGD made and then AO had no interest.

noo... not the history of why whining doesn't work. And this was AGD producing them - think of the problems the aftermarket companies have had producing AGD products. Maybe we should just sticky a thread so people can whine about things they have no control over? The times of major manufacturers being responsive to mag users is likely over...

[nicad]

OK, so we look at the patent #6,802,305 that PTP is saying they own pneumatic triggers.
Did anyone actually READ the claims, or did they just blindly believe what was told to them?

(I paraphrased each claim-- you can find the entire thing here.)

claim 1: Assisting the movement of the trigger with MAGNETS.

claim 2: claim #1 using magnets which are formed from ferromagnetic material.

claim 3: claim #1 using repelling magnets after the ball is fired.

claim 4: claim #1 using electromagnets in the place of magnets.

claim 5: Assisting the movement of the trigger with ELECTROMAGNET(S) in the trigger which can change polarity after the trigger is pulled.

claim 6: Assisting the movement of the trigger with a secondary ELECTROMAGNET infront of the trigger which can change polarity after the trigger is pulled.

claim 7: A force element behind the trigger which detects movement of the trigger and pulls the trigger for you.

claim 8: claim #7 and add a force element infront of the trigger which detects movement of the trigger and returns the trigger for you.

claim 9: claim #7 but using electromagnets.

claim 10: sensing the movement of the trigger and using solenoids to assist the movement of trigger.

claim 11: force element behind the trigger being operable to assist movement of the trigger between the resting position and the firing position.

claim 12: claim #11 using magnets.

claim 13: claim #12 using electromagnets.

claim 14: claim #13 but switching polarity of a magnet after detecting the trigger has been pulled.

claim 15: claim#11 using a solenoid.



This covers forces acting on the TRIGGER.. ie- reactive triggers (RT), and using magnets and electromagnets.

So, I ask again- what is the patent # in which PTP covers pneumatic interfaced triggers in the claims??

[TheTramp]

OKThis covers forces acting on the TRIGGER.. ie- reactive triggers (RT), and using magnets and electromagnets.

So if PTP wanted to pull a SP they could sue AGD over the RT-Pro? I thought they were going for something that helped pull the trigger, not return it quickly.

[neppo1345]

Under "Summary of Invention"

"In addition to aiding in the actuation of the trigger itself, an alternate embodiment of the invention contemplates replacing the mechanical linkage between the trigger and the cocking/firing mechanism with a pneumatic operating system. In this embodiment of the invention, rearward movement of the trigger opens a pneumatic air valve. As the pneumatic air valve is opened, air pressure is supplied to an actuating ram coupled to the cocking ram of the paintball gun. When the actuating ram is pressurized, the air pressure of the actuating ram operates the cocking/firing mechanism to cause a paintball to be fired. In this manner, the air pressure of the actuating ram causes the mechanical movement of the cocking/firing mechanism, rather than a mechanical linkage between the trigger and the cocking/firing mechanism. The use of air pressure rather than the mechanical linkage allows for a faster and less physically demanding movement by the user on the trigger. After the firing sequence has been initiated, the residual pressure within the pneumatic valve aids in returning the trigger to its pre-firing position. "

[nicad]

Under "Summary of Invention"

"In addition to aiding in the actuation of the trigger itself, an alternate embodiment of the invention contemplates replacing the mechanical linkage between the trigger and the cocking/firing mechanism with a pneumatic operating system.

....

"

..which is meaningless. Only what is covered in the CLAIMS is what makes something protected by a patent.