The PTP Choke.

[Automaggot68]

They're readily available at uspto.gov. Public disclosure and all...

Colin asked for the patents, not where to find them.
You're a knowledgable guy right?
Link him/us.

[p_aint_fun]

See this is what I was talking about... Since I posted yesterday, there have 20+ posts moaning arguing and complaining and 0 posts about actual contact with PTP with any useful info. I agree with RR about the worthlessness of the constant speculation and such. And am very sorry for all the BS he has had to endure because of these forums. I wish mag users could try something new like working together to try and get some new mag stuff released. It can be done. Anyone see the movie Serenity based on the TV show Firefly? That movie was made based almost exclusively on fan support and guerilla marketing. It can be done. My point is that venting on these forums is fine if you know that the project is dead. We don't know that because no one has bothered to find out. I humbly suggest the everyone call or e-mail PTP just to see what response everyone gets. Then we can compare responses and plan the next move, if any. The phone number is:Phone 386.437.3375
Fax 386.437.7108. The email is:[email protected].
Again, sorry Jay for all the grief and thanks for all the hard work.

[Lohman446]

PTP works on projects for other companies very often - AGD, WGP, BE, etc. You want this project, your so confident it will work - get your money together and hire them to build it for you to sell.

[Automaggot68]

PTP works on projects for other companies very often - AGD, WGP, BE, etc. You want this project, your so confident it will work - get your money together and hire them to build it for you to sell.

Is there really any point to arguing with them anymore, Loh?
Its hard to make a point when the other party is just going to disregard it everytime.

[Lohman446]

Is there really any point to arguing with them anymore, Loh?
Its hard to make a point when the other party is just going to disregard it everytime.

I hear all the time about how profitable it would be to build mag parts. These same people who are saying it are not stepping up to do it, at least for the most part. PTP is a for profit company, I am sure for a large enough up front fee they would build you however many of these things you wanted and you could package and sell them. Just stand up with the money and start negotiating - it will work many times better than 100 calls from whiney mag owners (not all) that just remind them why its best to stay away from the group. Why do they not get it? And you're right, there is no point in pointing it out to them anymore...

[Automaggot68]

I hear all the time about how profitable it would be to build mag parts. These same people who are saying it are not stepping up to do it, at least for the most part. PTP is a for profit company, I am sure for a large enough up front fee they would build you however many of these things you wanted and you could package and sell them. Just stand up with the money and start negotiating - it will work many times better than 100 calls from whiney mag owners (not all) that just remind them why its best to stay away from the group. Why do they not get it? And you're right, there is no point in pointing it out to them anymore...

Let the record state that automaggot68 and Lohman have agreed.

[rkjunior303]

I hear all the time about how profitable it would be to build mag parts. These same people who are saying it are not stepping up to do it, at least for the most part. PTP is a for profit company, I am sure for a large enough up front fee they would build you however many of these things you wanted and you could package and sell them. Just stand up with the money and start negotiating - it will work many times better than 100 calls from whiney mag owners (not all) that just remind them why its best to stay away from the group. Why do they not get it? And you're right, there is no point in pointing it out to them anymore...

...it takes MONEY, though...

[Lohman446]

...it takes MONEY, though...

Well, these people are so convinced its such an obvious good business move. Go to the bank, spell out your business plan, show the vast market, the past success of aftermarket companies going into that market, the amount of interest and the historic carry through on that interest. Taking all that into consideration I'm sure they'd give you the money to invest based on there actual business and financial knowledge . Or just whine and moan about it, that makes people so interested into getting into a market...

[p_aint_fun]

Let the record state that automaggot68 and Lohman have agreed... to do nothing helpful. I'm not trying to make enemies but I really don't think that you guys understand the retail environment. I have been in the retail industry for 20 years(yeah I'm old) and the point that I'm trying unsuccessfully to get across is that no harm can come from letting PTP know that there is interest in the pnuemag frame. Basis economics of supply and demand. Calling a company to inquire about their products is not "whining". And yes I have called and e-mailed them myself. I guess that makes me a whiner.

[Lohman446]

The interest has already been expressed by RRFireblade, who works at the company and has been involved long enough and at a high enough level to have some influence. They have decided it is not AT THIS TIME economically viable considering other things they have going on. He got crucified by these boards for TRYING to help and trying to keep us informed. Guys, this board has already taken one major step into burning the bridges we had.

And we have collectively (some of us) decided not to make a nuisance of ourselves to a company that holds the key to something some of you want (I personally don't care). The attacks from this board have already knocked down, or hurt, your strongest inlet into PTP and there decision making process. Kindly don't stoop to lecturing me on business practices. PTP has limited resources to develop things - are they going to work on a project for a major customer (WGP, BE, etc) who are likely financing it up front or with gaurenteed financing, or because a bunch of people from a niche market called them and expressed interest without financial backing. PTP cannot build everything at once, and I can go as far to guess as to who is more important to them. Then again, neither you nor I have inside knowledge of there workings other than what has been posted here. I state it again, one person had that, and this board, or at least some members of it, has demonized him.

[SCpoloRicker]

*kicks dead horse*

[GT]

PTP works on projects for other companies very often - AGD, WGP, BE, etc. You want this project, your so confident it will work - get your money together and hire them to build it for you to sell.

You don't get it do you? This is akin to "working" with SP.

Let the record state that automaggot68 and Lohman have agreed... to do nothing helpful. I'm not trying to make enemies but I really don't think that you guys understand the retail environment. I have been in the retail industry for 20 years(yeah I'm old) and the point that I'm trying unsuccessfully to get across is that no harm can come from letting PTP know that there is interest in the pnuemag frame. Basis economics of supply and demand. Calling a company to inquire about their products is not "whining". And yes I have called and e-mailed them myself. I guess that makes me a whiner.

[Lohman446]

You don't get it do you? This is akin to "working" with SP.

What, working with the company that holds the patents for what you want to do? I don't buy into the SP Evil Empire nonsense either so you're going to have to explain what you mean by that.

I have a hard time understanding the idea that those who hold the rights to intellectual property should not be compensated for its use.

[nicad]

They're readily available at uspto.gov. Public disclosure and all...

Chihauhau- Oblige me. Please post the patent # in which PTP claims pneumatic triggers.

[Automaggot68]

*kicks dead horse*

HEY YOU WIPE YOUR GOD DAMN FEET BEFORE YOU DO THAT.



/i'm eating an odd shaped apple
//and it's difficult to eat it
///its giving me alot of toruble, I may give it detention