The PTP Choke.

[neppo1345]

Umm...I know this wont help anything...but I just got the newest issue of FaceFull today...

It's called the "patent issue...(technology, money, and the law Could you be next?)"

And inside theres a real nice write up on the issues of patents in paintball...

And the article after that is entitled "Smart Parts VS the World" It's mainly about how they decided to patent everything in sight and force companies to pay loyalties...or sue...but it may hold some relevence with this topic as well...

It'll open your eyes...I never knew that this was on such a HUGE scale

[Automaggot68]

Umm...I know this wont help anything...but I just got the newest issue of FaceFull today...

It's called the "patent issue...(technology, money, and the law Could you be next?)"

And inside theres a real nice write up on the issues of patents in paintball...

And the article after that is entitled "Smart Parts VS the World" It's mainly about how they decided to patent everything in sight and force companies to pay loyalties...or sue...but it may hold some relevence with this topic as well...

It'll open your eyes...I never knew that this was on such a HUGE scale

Welcome to a few months ago.

[neppo1345]

well...i feel like a jack***

[SCpoloRicker]

well...i feel like a jack***

Don't worry, he's always like that.

/is old news, though
//DURNK! (pre-emptive)

[Automaggot68]

Don't worry, he's always like that.

/is old news, though
//DURNK! (pre-emptive)

YEAH

/off my.....YOUR LAWN
//more like a patio.

[Lee]

Jay, i back you 100% for what it's worth and i'm personally tired of threads like this.

people, search is your friend, use it and quit beating on a good guy who has a gift of genius for paintball marker design and fabrication.

i've seen a small sample of his work first hand and it's brilliant. so, back off. some people would simply give up. hopefully Jay won't.

[cledford]

I've said all along that PTP was never going to do it. What pisses me off is that a company that MADE A LOT MONEY OFF OF MAGS (ask them where they got the auto-response idea GIVEN to them from) couldn't give back to the company/line-of-markers that they climbed over the back of (or rode the coat tails) to the point where they can sit back and let usable technology DIE ON THE FRIGGIN VINE because THEY CHOOSE NOT TO RUN WITH IT.

I don't know all of the ins and outs of the patent issues - but I know they could have licensed it, or thrown it into the public domain if they wanted to. Instead they've taken a "we won't agree to make it (and won't say we won't either) but no one else can either way because we hold all of the cards."

Pretty lousy for a company that has profited so handsomely from AGD back in the day.

Don't believe me? Look at the AIR-valve/automag patent and tell me what you find in it - the auto response is just the most blatant example of the companies duplicity.

Someone explain to me WHY PTP couldn't /wouldn't allow someone else to run with the idea - and please - spare me the pneumatic cocker frame crap, I haven't seen one of those come to market either.

-Calvin

[CoolHand]

Someone explain to me WHY PTP couldn't /wouldn't allow someone else to run with the idea - and please - spare me the pneumatic cocker frame crap, I haven't seen one of those come to market either.

-Calvin

But that IS the reason why. They DID license the technology out, just not to DW. It's been said over and over again, but people just don't want to hear it.

And even if they want to sit on it, why shouldn't they be able to? It's their property. If I want to burn my house down, I can, provided that I neither endanger anyone else in the process, nor try to claim insurance money against it. It's their patent, and they can do (or not do) what they please with it. That's how it works.

Stick your fingers in your ears if you like. Hell, continue to rant pointlessly if you like. In the grand scheme of things, it makes zero (0) difference to anyone actually involved.

The fact is that not one person who feels so strongly, and throws about such talk actually knows what is going on now, or what happened between DW and PTP. Not one.

Nicad knows, but has said all he's going to. Jay knows, and has said all he's going to. There is very little real information out there, yet folks continued to extrapolate new things from Nicad's comments and pass them as fact, and then outright dismiss Jay's comments when they conflict with the stuff they just made up.

It must be nice to live in a world where you just disregard anything that is inconvenient to your current line of thinking.

[kenndogg]

Someone explain to me WHY PTP couldn't /wouldn't allow someone else to run with the idea - and please - spare me the pneumatic cocker frame crap, I haven't seen one of those come to market either.

-Calvin

PTP is licensing its technology to K2/Brass Eagle. So in my opinion they are doing something with it. All it takes is money. Maybe instead of bashing Jay or PTP, you should get AGD or one of its third parties(Logic, Tunaman, RPGe, etc..) pay the licensing fee and get this frame out for the mag. Why waste time and resources on a small and dying market when you can make money elsewhere, thats what I see PTP doing.

[Lohman446]

I've said all along that PTP was never going to do it. What pisses me off is that a company that MADE A LOT MONEY OFF OF MAGS (ask them where they got the auto-response idea GIVEN to them from) couldn't give back to the company/line-of-markers that they climbed over the back of (or rode the coat tails) to the point where they can sit back and let usable technology DIE ON THE FRIGGIN VINE because THEY CHOOSE NOT TO RUN WITH IT.

I don't know all of the ins and outs of the patent issues - but I know they could have licensed it, or thrown it into the public domain if they wanted to. Instead they've taken a "we won't agree to make it (and won't say we won't either) but no one else can either way because we hold all of the cards."

Pretty lousy for a company that has profited so handsomely from AGD back in the day.

Don't believe me? Look at the AIR-valve/automag patent and tell me what you find in it - the auto response is just the most blatant example of the companies duplicity.

Someone explain to me WHY PTP couldn't /wouldn't allow someone else to run with the idea - and please - spare me the pneumatic cocker frame crap, I haven't seen one of those come to market either.

-Calvin

Did you read Jay's statements that it was offered to AGD under licensing and they did not express an interest? Or is that just simply ignored?

I would bet, for the right investment PTP and K2/BE would let you make one of these things for mags. If its such a wonderful business move, the market is so strong, and has been historically open to aftermarket innovation I suggest you go to your bank and get funding - of course, I doubt anyone with any financial experience and rought knowledge of AGD and the aftermarket in the past is going to put up enough financial backing to get you anywhere.

Its all it would take to get it to market. If things are how some people think they are you are bound to turn a profit on your investment. However, it appears those "in the know" have decided that is not likely and thus not invested. Thats business.

Sometimes in business you have to understand some things cannot be done. I would like o see a 50K pound alignment rack for ultra long wheel base vehicles (RVs) in my shop. It would allow me to serve one more need of my customer's (that a few have). However, the market does not support the money I would put into it... Sometimes "good ideas" for customers are not good ideas for business.

[rabidchihauhau]

Cledford,

the 'auto-response' was manufactured by ProLINE, not Pro-TEAM.

PTP made it on the back of AGD?

HAH

HAH

DOUBLE HAH

e-mag patent - came from pro-team and was sold to agd for FAR LESS than it could have brought if it had been sold to someone else who would have used it as a club against AGD.

PTP was asked by AGD to help with the warp feed - particularly hose research and feed adapter; PTP was the company that made the warp available for guns other than mags.

How about spacer kits? Where'd they come from?

I leave the answer as an exercise for the reader.

***

I'll share my only original paintball joke with you now:

How many tournament players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Who's gonna sponsor the lightbulb?

I'll now modify that joke to be appropriate for this forum.

How many Maggots does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Who's gonna make the lightbulb, license it for nothing and give me one at a tremendous financial loss to their company, just to make me happy? No one? Then I guess we sit in the dark...

[p_aint_fun]

I have noticed that alot of the folks posting in this thread are located in Florida. I think we should just get together and drive over to PTP's office and camp out in the parking lot until they make our frames for us.

[phantomhitman]

Cledford,

I'll share my only original paintball joke with you now:

How many tournament players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Who's gonna sponsor the lightbulb?

I'll now modify that joke to be appropriate for this forum.

How many Maggots does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Who's gonna make the lightbulb, license it for nothing and give me one at a tremendous financial loss to their company, just to make me happy? No one? Then I guess we sit in the dark...

ohh served!!! Wait did you just make fun of tourney players........



If your info is correct I learne something today. I guess I can turn my brain off for the rest of the day now!

[ZEROte]

why hasnt anyone suggested that we go after agd? this is agd's only fanbase so why doesnt gt go and make a thread saying agd give us what we want? if you get all those that *****ed and moaned here to ***** and moan in that thread than im sure someone high up from agd will say, hey maybe we can make a new gun out of this.

[p_aint_fun]

why hasnt anyone suggested that we go after agd? this is agd's only fanbase so why doesnt gt go and make a thread saying agd give us what we want? if you get all those that *****ed and moaned here to ***** and moan in that thread than im sure someone high up from agd will say, hey maybe we can make a new gun out of this.

I don't think it'll work but I can piss and moan with the best of them...so I'm in.