Dan Tiljack Cheats with WALK-ONS?

[The Action Figure]

of all people to need to be told that they are going to be bunkered. jeez.

i could understand a noob accepting the help, but a pro?

but its Dynasty lol

edit: Im kidding Dynasty is a good team, just should have stuck with WDP

[cioeboy]

haha i play thats the field i play at and they do allow sideline coaching there

and he wasnt playing to hard against walkons 70% of walkons there play tournys (and 90% of players there bonus ball and use illegal ramping)


PS i know the ref that was smoking on the field and the whole place is dirty (the players have gotten used to it)

[Archangel Kid]

PS i know the ref that was smoking on the field and the whole place is dirty (the players have gotten used to it)

Wow, that really sad. I'm starting to get back into playing again after about a 2-3 year break, and I really hope I don't go to my local field and it's like this place.

[Baby Huey]

That video is funny.If I had the $$$ I would wear one when we play.

[Eatem Alive]

i think the title of this thread is ignorant. i doubt he knew the guy and if some random person on the sidelines told me i was about to get bunkered i sure as hell wouldn't ignore him. also, who is to say danny even heard the guy... he may just have happened to look over that side of the bunker...a pro isn't going to stay posted on one side.

[Skoad]

Well, i read the flames and just watched the video....

First off, yea that was really lame for a spectator to do something like that. I don't know if the guy was with Dan or not, but its hard not to react when someone says theres a guy coming right up on you. I really doubt myself or anyone else would just sit there like they didn't hear it.

Two, if I were 'pro' I would probably get sick of all the kids and people asking questions, sign this, blah blah...or whatever people do around 'pro' players. You either want the attention or you don't, obviously he didn't so he said he wasn't a pro player. I really doubt his objective was to sneak into a rec game just to blast some newbies.

Three, Tyger's barrel sock schpeal was a little over the top but I don't blame him. Everyone's had a time where someone got the better of them either honestly or they got screwed....if your pissed you'll start making critical (yet sometimes borderline silly) observations/arguements just to get every single piece of dirt on them. It's human nature.


Anytime I've ever played with someone who was a real hardcore tournament player, pro, think-they-are-pro, etc on just open play at a field for a saturday afternoon they seem think they are above all the other players. Sometimes they will cheat, sometimes they will just be arses. I've seen multiple times where a 'pro' player will get shot by some walk-on then the 'pro' player will start talking smack or start taking cheap shots at that guy, in once instance the pro player challenged the walk on to a 1 on 1...the walk on declined so the pro shot him in the leg.

I'm sure not all pro's or seasoned adult tournament players are like this, but it often is the case.

[Vex]

The quote goes something like, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

Who the hell wants to catch flies?

Two comments:

1. Battle swab as barrel plug - Unacceptable. What could happen if that swab were blown out of the barrel and hit someone in the safe area? The stated rule, as verified three times by the ref, was that the ONLY barrel-blocking device to be used is a cover/condom/sock. It's a field rule, therefore, it should be adhered to. NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE...

2. Smoking ref - Unacceptable. Posted rule states "No Smoking" on the field. The last person to EVER break a field rule should be an employee for Christ's sake! Also, who in the hell wants to inhale someone's nasty smoke while they're running around and exerting themselves like a cheap hooker on $1 Wednesdays?

[Beemer]

They Broke It

Looks like they nuked the thread over there. Here is the link to the page with the vid. FPS 5 is the one you want.

http://webdog.specialopspaintball.com/video/fps/

Dam Tyger, when ya going back there? Let me know so I can go with ya
And remember its a BBD[barrel blocking device]

I liked the "Now You Have My Attention" Part.

Looked to me like Tyger Had at least a fifty fifty chance till the dead guy talked. Allowed or not lets just call that part a wash.

But now you have my attention and I see you cant even respect MINE and Other Players SAFETY and follow the only KNOWN BBD RULE[plug or bag at some fields] NOT A SWAB.
Its not a Joke, never will be.

Get the crap outta here. Any player worth there salt knows this to be unacceptable and UNSAFE. Let alone a Pro out for some rec fun.

I dont know about the rest of ya but I have no less then four BBDs in my bag and if I dont have my bag I have five bucks or so to BUY one. The gun dont come out if I cant follow the safety RULES. Somebody Thank that guy for respecting our SAFETY.

Thats my rant.

Rock on Tyg

Peace Out

___________

[Recon by Fire]

in once instance the pro player challenged the walk on to a 1 on 1...the walk on declined so the pro shot him in the leg..

He wouldn't be too much of pro player with a broken leg :) As ridiculous as that story sounds I have no doubt it is true


Just a few things:


1. Those bunkers pretty disgusting, I wouldn't want to pay to play there.

2. I don't blame the player for shooting Tyger because somebody yelled to him. It is the sideline players fault completely for being such a wonderful player and great sportsman.

3. Sidline coaching is still heterosexually impaired.

[Tyger]

so how did tyger get the guys name?

or did he just recognize who it was.

I don't keep track of "who's who". I recognized the "World Cup" USA X-Ball jersey (VERY rare to see), and the Dynasty Shocker, and the "old pro" method of barrel swab in the barrel as a BBD. But I had no clue who he was. So I asked an employee, who happily told me that it was Danny T. Hardly "undercover" work, just asking quesitons.

I get the feeling that Tyger went out looking for problems... and he found a dishonest player (ok, spectator).. Anyone surprised? Anyone else notice Tyger advancing on a player being checked by the ref?

(posted later)

Look at the lead up of the video "everyone becomes honest when they know about the camera". I'm sorry, but look for problems long enough, your going to find them. Don't act surprised when you do.

I went out to play first, and film second. I go out filming hoping NOT to catch cheating, but I know that if I film long enough I will. That's the reality. Knowing I will, I also know that I'm not going to edit it out when I've got something that I feel is important for people to see.

I make my comments because people's reactions bother me. I get done playing and put the camera away, and I hear about something that happened away from the "camera guy". I heard about blatant wiping and overshooting going on at the first scenario game I filmed at, and people saying they wouldn't do that if the camera wasn't there. And honestly, that bothers me. People shouldn't be honest because someone is watching. They should be honest because it's the right thing to do.

So am I going out LOOKING for cheaters? No. I'm looking to go out and play. Then secondary I'm looking to get decent footage that I can share. Then I'm looking for all the other stuff that goes on around the actual game. Look at FPS 4 if you want to know what I'm talking about. But if I catch cheating, I'm not going to flinch. I'm not surprised to catch bad behavior, but I'm also not going to bury the footage. It's not my primary goal in this series of videos. My primary goal is to share paintball games from the unique postion that I'm in, and show people locations they wouldn't normally get to play.

To address Lohman specifically, I advanced on that player AFTER I hit his hopper AND he shot me after I hit him. Hit is hit, out is out, I was out of the game either way. I wanted to get the break on camera, yes. Am I instigating? No. I'm getting proof of what I've been saying for a long time. 'Yall flamed my shorts off when I told you the crud I deal with when I play. Now that I show you I'm still getting flamed for getting my proof.

As for the swab issue. For the record, "Chicagoland Paintball" is the new name for "Country Club Paintball". In 2004, CCP lost a lawsuit when a child was blinded in one eye because of a barrel sock mishap. (In the link, look on the date May 21, 2004) From all I've been able to gather about the incident, the rental barrel sock failed when a player pulled the trigger in the staging area. So when I play at the location, I'm watching EVERYONE'S barrel.

I saw Danny's barrel swab in his gun BEFORE the game in the video, and AFTER the game as well. The footage I shot of his barrel was from BEFORE that game. It was going into the final reel as it was, the fact it was on a player's gun that should know better was incidental at the time. Plus the smoking referee was before that game as well. I was a few seconds too late to film the referee lifting his goggles to take a drag from his cigarette on the field of play.

For the record, after I asked the referee about it, Danny did put a barrel sock on his marker. A rental one.

-Tyger

[Lohman446]

I personally think there are two sides to this story. While I understand the point Tyger was trying to illustrate I think he did attempt just that. Walking towards a neutral player (or eliminated) serves either looking for a confrontation or attempting to eliminate him if he is not already out.

There was no purpose in chasing down Dan and asking if he played tournaments, other than looking for a confrontation. Personally one coudl argue there is a problem with any player that would take a problem they had on field off field directly with the player rather than to the ref / owner. That being said, I have often enough dealt with problems player to player. Its not the right way to do it.

Personally, the second side of this is simple. If my picture was used without my permission, and published to the web in an attempt to harm my reputation, I would seek a remedy that included at least its removal.

There are remarkably no clean hands in this pissing match we have seen, at least in my opinion. What a surprise... We have even seen the assertion (though even I question it) that sideline coaching is in fact allowed at this particular field.

[rifleman wi]

cool vid tyger

[Tyger]

There was no purpose in chasing down Dan and asking if he played tournaments, other than looking for a confrontation.

Honestly, he was in front of me as I left the field. Hence, why I asked him. No "chasing down" of the man, just asking him a question that I basically already knew the answer to while walking off the field of play. Plus I watched him put a barrel swab down his barrel before leaving the field, which is something that tournament players have been doing for a long time.

If I was looking for confrontation, I would have asked him "So why are you beating up on renters?" or "Why aren't you practicing with Dynasty?" or "Why do you feel it necessaary to play against pick-up players when you're on one of the top X-Ball teams on the planet?" or "Is it really necessary to shoot your Shocker against players with Spyders?"

Or I could have easily hit him with any of a dozen questions that would have specifically inflamed him to get a violent verbal or physical reaction from him or his friends. Or I could have rolled camera on him and him alone for the remainder of the night trying to catch him doing anything. I didn't. The incident happened about mid session, and I saw no purpose in following him around like a lost puppy.

I did "meet" him one other time on the field, the last shot of the video. Between the humidity on the field and the gas fumes from the compressor, the camera fogged and rolled water down the lens. But I will say this. He was running up the side shooting into the middle and not looking at my position. I shot one ball from my corner at Dan. I hit him, the ball broke. He checked, raised his hand, walked off the field.

I let the video say the rest.

And you are right. There *are* two sides to the story. But unfortunately, the only reply from a Dynasty player has been to flame my sliding technique on 'Nation before the thread got deleted. If they hold a grudge, then it's a sad thing. I'm "just" a rec-baller with a video camera, or so I've been told. I would LOVE to hear Dan's side of things, but I don't think I will. And for what it's worth, it's not even worth his time.

If a video like mine causes the collapse of Dynasty, or the removal of a player from Dynasty, then something is VERY wrong with that team, or player, in the first place. One internet video does not a "linchpin" make.

-Tyger

[BigEvil]

Im torn on this one....

On one hand, you have someone running around with a hidden camera.

On the other, you have blatant cheating, safety violations, and some punk smoking.

I dont think that we should shoot the messenger... I also dont think we should disregard what was on the tape just because we all know that these things happen frequently.

Its crap and attitude like this that gives tha game a black eye. Every player has a responsability to enforce safety rules when playing. It is also everyones responsability to play fair and by the rules. If someone is doing something that can cause injury to another player then by all means people should speak up. If someone is cheating, then you should follow the chain of command
-go to the ref, if he does nothing then go to his supervisor.- then go to the field owner/manager if you still arent satisfied.

[shartley]

Barrel BagsLying about being a tournament player.Calling player moves from the dead box or viewing area.Using footage onlineSmoking on the fieldOVERALL