Dan Tiljack Cheats with WALK-ONS?

[Shane-O-Mac]

Tyger:

You wanna be a "Crusader"? Ok, lets say you are really concerned with the sports condition. How about showing some POSITIVE footage? You, or someone else, posted that he was using a BBD later on right? Well how about filming that and putting a POSITIVE spin on your video? How about after the game, you went and discussed the use of a BBD with him and got some REAL footage with a pro player, maybe he would even admit his mistake, and attempt to help you out. Or film the ref saying that a swab is ok, and why they dont make them use the proper BBD? If you are a journalist, then maybe try the UNBIASED route, or do you want your videos to be the "National Enquirer" of paintball?

Now, the reason alot of people react the way they do to you and your posts, is that in MANY peoples opinions/views, you are being a hypocrictical drama queen on a crusade! And IMHO thats the way I see it also. Realize that criticism ISNT always a personal attack. For quite awhile now, every post that has ANY critical words in it, you immediatley attack and/or defend. You let everything get to a personal level, and you attack like a cat backed into a corner(pun intended). How about you step back, take a trip out of your own brain and see that maybe your opinion/ideals may not agree with everyones? Are you so passionate about paintball, that it hurts to have someone not agree with you? I can almost see a Don Quixote personality here. Are you so interested in tilting at windmills, that you are forgeting the big picture? You're in posesion of a powerfull device that could do great things, think about what I am saying, PLEASE.


Tyger, do you enjoy paintball anymore? Do you? how about promoting how much FUN paintball is? How about curbing your anger more, be the ambassador that you seem to wanna be. I could never be an ambassador of attitude or rules compliance. I realize that and TRY and curb that side of myself, but it does come out sometimes. Realize that you may overreact, or react too strongly, which makes it harder for people to take you seriously. I have seen you carry a bad attitude on the field, because you felt justified that the other player/players were chaeting or carrying a bad attitude. Thats the reason some consider you hypocritical. If you're gonna make a stand, then you MUST follow your own ideals of the way it should be. My personal opinion is that you should get off your soap box, quit bringing up anything about your "Fame", nobody wants to hear ANYTHING about how you think your fame has to do with ANYTHING at all. Get over yourself. If you rethink your attitude and direction, you could do the things you are setting out to do.

Also, did you stop to think that covertly filming, may make things bad for the sport? You must realize that there will always be doubters to the purity of the video. Many will think that you are putting a spin on it for personal reasons, or that you left out important footage so that you skew the overall result, to follow your "Crusade"? Remember there are TWO sides to the story. Show them both. Also, the morals of hidden video and the possible ramifications are of great importance. How about the fact that many people do not want to be filmed and published in video, on the web. What thought have you put into that? Have you gotten releases for them after shooting? What about the fact that once word gets out about your hidden video, NO field is going to want to let you play there? Mistakes can be made and you have the power to show them in a negative light and hurt someones business. What is your thought about that? Are you going for the "Geraldo" style journalism, or do you want to be known for factual and fair journalism? If you're really going for the hardcore type "Guerilla" crusade, be honest and tell someone who doesnt agree that. Tell them, "Hey this is my thing, dont like it, pack your toys and leave". Dont try and defend the video or even explain it, let it stand for itself, no explaination needed. And again SHOW BOTH SIDES of the freaking story.

For everyones sake, be a positive influence or none at all.

Shane Kinzel aka Shane-O
(real name used for govermental reasons also....lol)

Edit: Excuse my ignorance, I hadnt checked out the other videos, so some of the above was said before I had all the facts myself. D'oh! Just wanted to add, when you are faced with the issue such as Tiljack, give the accused a chance make a statement or an apology. Try to put a positive spin on a bad situation.

[Shane-O-Mac]

Upon further review of the video, I see a few problems.

One:
you call Tiljack a "liar" right? How about the remark from you? I'm just here to play. WRONG! And when confronted by a Ref, you done deny, but you dont admit you are wearing a camera. Thats as good as lying in my book.

Two: No where in the video does it show you actually tell a ref about proper BBDS being used. And it doesnt show any mention to the manager on duty, or owner. When making accusations, your word is not golden. prove your claims with footage.

Three:
You shot a guy in the hopper and advanced on him WHILE being paint checked. 'Nuff said.

Four:
Again did you consider the harm it could do to the paintball field? The paintball business is not in good shape, do you think that burning a field in video form, will HELP the industry? Or do you not care as much as you want people to believe?

Five: Is the clwn telling the last guy your coming all that bad? Is it really? So freaking what, he told him you were coming, did he eliminate everyone else, and "Win"? When you heard the clown say that, maybe you shoulda just played with it, made it work to your advantage

Six: Who cares if he doesnt want to let people on to who he is? Really, what harm is in that? You even said he didnt cheat, so why worry him about him wanting to be somewhat anonymous. And why didnt you talk to him on camera? any good reason not to? Geez, whatta PSA (Public Service Anouncement) that coulda been for your video series.

This video looks to be a vendetta against a single player, and that particular field. It does more harm than good. To you and as well as anyone else. And it makes you look bad IMHO.

Shane-O

[Lohman446]

Three:
You shot a guy in the hopper and advanced on him WHILE being paint checked. 'Nuff said.

I mentioned that earlier, and this is my opinion on it. Tyger went looking for controversy... why did he advance to that bunker? It wasn't to use it for cover as he actually went past it towards the "neutral" player. I have a feeling had that person been called clean with a smudge on his hopper there would have been a Tygeress blow up right then and there with a new focus. Look in the beginning when Tyger is talking in his car - what did he go to get?

I hear complaints that Tyger is "just playing" and all this bad stuff happens to him. I don't buy it anymore, and I have a video of why I don't. Frankly, if I was trying to start a physical fight, I would very much use the words Tyger did. Off field coaching... is it Tygers place to try to single out an individual for it or is the field staffs to "remind" people of the rules. You don't know that the people on the sides were players. How often does a parent, friend, girlfriend coach from the sidelines and have to be reminded of the rules? When I play mixed groups I have, often, asked the sidelines if a move I intend to make is against an experienced player or a newer player. Perhaps if you showed up with a pump I would offer you the same courtesy?

I still think, that you went looking for a good controversial video, looking for cheating, and when you found it were happy with it. I think you looked for an "in your face" controversy, and I think you look for them more than not. I reiterate this point... if I was looking for a physical fight with someone, I would act much the same way you did in the video. Frankly, I'm surprised you did not find it.

[Crazy]

Personally I think that douchebag behind him was probably telling him throughout the day. I like how the little fifteenyearold mexican with the mustache things he's all big.

You talk like that to the wrong person, your gonna get jumped.

Maybe you should watch the video again, the so called "ittle fifteenyearold mexican" is not fifteen at all... and is at least 6' 2" and 230+. Is he gonna get jumped by a group of whiney recballers such as tyger?

[68magOwner]

seriously, the "cheating" that went on was NOT a big deal, and i didnt like tyger acting like an elitest cockwad throughout the whole thing either. Its paintball, go play, have fun, more often than not, your going to get cheated against, big deal, you should be able to deal with it in a non-contraversial matter and not be a big baby about it.

[chefstevie]

tyger needs to chill...yeah it was wrong but i mean its no likt the dynasty player is gonna let u shoot him up. its just a game...

[bentothejam1n]

this makes me really wish I played with some pumps instead of me vs. ions fps 4 that is

[phantomhitman]

And when I film cheaters on the woods fields, they will be on the web in 48 hours or so. At Paintball Sams, after I took the camera off for the day, a player on my team wiped a hit in front of me. I was torqued off that I missed that shot, as I would have put it in online for you to see.

Again, I'm an equal opportunity bastard. Right now it's winter, so I'm limited from filming outdoor games. But once Spring comes back, I'm SURE I'll catch my share of jerks in the woods. When I do, you'll see it.

That is all I ask. From my standpoint you have targeted the tourney bastards for quite a while, I would enjoy seeing the other bastards of the sport as well. Carry on

[Albinonewt]

Not needed comments from an issue well past it's sell by date...do not repeat

[MarkM]

My personal take on this is a little mixed. the thread title I have looked at the title a few times and considered changing it but any change would gain accustations of dilution, that said the thread title is a bit strong. Incidently the thread wasn't named by Tyger, although the video was made by him.
Take a Camera to a field and with it hidden you will see stuff.
I would say the same thing when asked about being in tournament play, as I wouldn't want to get into it with someone I didn't know (or at that time didn't want to know)

The player didn't cheat per se, he did by reacting but then with refs as lax as these ones seem to be they wouldn't have made the call to remove him from play. in the great tradition of pantomime "he's behind you"..who wouldn't react?

Barrel Blocking devices, yes a no no but again with the refs as lax as they appear to be what the hell will be done.

When under previous management this field had a lawsuit against them that they lost...poorly maintained equipment was at fault not the player doing something unsafe. But then is it truely under new management? I have played at this field and I found it good but then it was a tournament event when I was there.

Tyger does have some agenda...he was looking to find cheating (in any form) and found it, so that's it he found elements that were bad so story over.

The slights against Tyger for his perceived status etc....who is making those claims? The other people posting in this thread not Tyger! So all of you including Tyger Chill out!!

Much as I would love to close this thread I feel it needs to die a natural death not an enforced one.

[NinjaoftheNight79]

I wanna ask all of you a serious question. How many of you personally talk to this "Lying Idiot" Tyger very much? How many of you talk to him? For the record, I have, and I have learned a lot from him. A lot of you are making him seem like all his videos are about catching cheaters. For those of you who havn't noticed, he did that because he has seen a lot of cheating. He sees it all over. Not just in tourney ball players and speedballers. For the sake of all holy he is the one thats tired of recball players saying only speedballers cheat. Maybe if a few more of you would get to know the guy.

Rob "Tyger" Rubin is a great guy, and many of you should be ashamed. All of WebDog Radio is great. Look at his tip clips. All of them helping people toward a better, more skilled game of paintball. They also give saftey tips and such. Also, his other FPS series, which he just started, to show people what a game is like. I am sorry, but those of you who say Tyger lies and edits his videos are pathetic. Get some glasses and a hearing aid, your are almost beyond help.

While I dont think Danny cheated personally (in my own educated opinion), we dont know that, and few do. Even if he did we would never find out. What he does do is press some saftey issues, which he has the right to do. We all do. Its our saftey, and if your not concerned of your sorry, I am very sorry to hear that.

I really think all of you should get to know this guy before you start talking crap to him. He never started this thread, and I blame this on the one who did. It was an obvious flamefest waiting to happen. Tyger never wanted a bunch of publicity over it, he wanted to make a video where he caught some people doing bad things on camera to prove that people cheat. I can almost guarantee that he will film a scenario or woodsball game without telling people, and show his results there too.

Tyger is the guy who runs Web Dog Radio. He knows a lot more about paintball than many. He is a very good player, and I think many of you owe him an apology.

[Lohman446]

I wanna ask all of you a serious question. How many of you personally talk to this "Lying Idiot" Tyger very much? How many of you talk to him?

Umm... aside from Newt who has attacked Tyger personally. And Newt has plenty of reason. Many of us have questioned the purpose of the video, Tygers attitude in it, and other factors, but I doubt many of us have referred to him as a "lying idiot". If your going to defend a friend, defend him from what is actually being said, not your overactive imagination. I think a lot of us prefaced a post or two with respect, or no disrespect intended, but... well I think many of us wonder the agenda.

[NinjaoftheNight79]

Umm... aside from Newt who has attacked Tyger personally. And Newt has plenty of reason. Many of us have questioned the purpose of the video, Tygers attitude in it, and other factors, but I doubt many of us have referred to him as a "lying idiot". If your going to defend a friend, defend him from what is actually being said, not your overactive imagination. I think a lot of us prefaced a post or two with respect, or no disrespect intended, but... well I think many of us wonder the agenda.

Ok, we can agree on that. I guess while not everyone called him one of the names, and nobody called him both, I think I should rephrase that. How many of you have actually got to know this person, who some of you speak of as though he was an insignifigant fool?

[MarkM]

I wanna ask all of you a serious question. How many of you personally talk to this "Lying Idiot" Tyger very much? How many of you talk to him? For the record, I have, and I have learned a lot from him. A lot of you are making him seem like all his videos are about catching cheaters. For those of you who havn't noticed, he did that because he has seen a lot of cheating. He sees it all over. Not just in tourney ball players and speedballers. For the sake of all holy he is the one thats tired of recball players saying only speedballers cheat. Maybe if a few more of you would get to know the guy.

Rob "Tyger" Rubin is a great guy, and many of you should be ashamed. All of WebDog Radio is great. Look at his tip clips. All of them helping people toward a better, more skilled game of paintball. They also give saftey tips and such. Also, his other FPS series, which he just started, to show people what a game is like. I am sorry, but those of you who say Tyger lies and edits his videos are pathetic. Get some glasses and a hearing aid, your are almost beyond help.

While I dont think Danny cheated personally (in my own educated opinion), we dont know that, and few do. Even if he did we would never find out. What he does do is press some saftey issues, which he has the right to do. We all do. Its our saftey, and if your not concerned of your sorry, I am very sorry to hear that.

I really think all of you should get to know this guy before you start talking crap to him. He never started this thread, and I blame this on the one who did. It was an obvious flamefest waiting to happen. Tyger never wanted a bunch of publicity over it, he wanted to make a video where he caught some people doing bad things on camera to prove that people cheat. I can almost guarantee that he will film a scenario or woodsball game without telling people, and show his results there too.

Tyger is the guy who runs Web Dog Radio. He knows a lot more about paintball than many. He is a very good player, and I think many of you owe him an apology.

I think you need to take the advice in my last reply and chill a little bit yourself.
I have both met and spoken with Rob on several occaisions. I have told him exactly what I thought of his videos (the training type ones) and he both agreed with what I was saying and disagreed both in a nice way and we both agreed to disagree....confusing that sentence but that's how it was.

Of course Rob wanted publicity for his action, if not then why pst them on the net for all to see? There is NO answer to this as it is a simple matter of facts as can be quite clearly seen from previous and current Webdog Radio stuff...if you don't want dialog or anything else you don't post it on the net.

The player reacting to outside verbal warnings IS cheating..it sucks to get removed from play like that but it is cheating by association (reacting). However the refs didn't remove the player.
The lack of barrel sock IS an infringment that should have been dealt with by the field management and Tyger had every right to bring it up, more so with the particular field due to the historical events that had happened at this venue before, though in this case if an accident had happened the player would have been liable since he had chosen to ignore the standing field rules.

[Albinonewt]

Not needed comments from an issue well past it's sell by date...do not repeat

Considering all the "Tyger's a great guy posts" I think this bears relevance: Also, since Tyger is going after a pro-player I think his hypocrisy is pretty relevant.

Nothing here now

Go ahead and ban me Mark. I'd love to see me get banned for reposting something that the original poster didn't get in trouble for...