Dan Tiljack Cheats with WALK-ONS?

[gmp211]

Yeah, That was funny. The kid left it too. But that shows you who Tyger is.

[Steelrat]

Tyger is one of those guys you either love or hate...personally, I applaud him for doing this, and I think he should do it more often. It takes a brave man to #1, walk out onto a field today with a stockgun, and #2 videotape the experience and show it publicly. Seems to me that Tyger is willing to put his skills on display for everyone to see, good or bad. Hell, I wouldn't be willing to do that...but I suck!

Well, to be absolutely fair, we are only seeing the footage he wants us to see. If I was making a 5 minute tape out of a whole days play, chances are I'd only include my brilliant/lucky moves, and leave out the falls, stupid eliminations, and embarassing mistakes.

[gmp211]

If you would watch the FPS were it was all pump. He sucked. He didnt edit that out. He got hit on the break 3 times in a row or something like that. He would show when he does bad, trust me.

[Cow hunter]

If you would watch the FPS were it was all pump. He sucked. He didnt edit that out. He got hit on the break 3 times in a row or something like that. He would show when he does bad, trust me.

agreed, it was fps 4, and the whole time he was saying "i suck" cause he kept getting hit....
/i love the music in all the fps vids

[Tyger]

Well, to be absolutely fair, we are only seeing the footage he wants us to see. If I was making a 5 minute tape out of a whole days play, chances are I'd only include my brilliant/lucky moves, and leave out the falls, stupid eliminations, and embarassing mistakes.

No, I try to put it in. Good, bad, ugly, beautiful, if it happened, and it looked good, it's in. Even if it's me getting pasted because I'm too dense to use a bunker right. I'm waiting for a shot of the camera getting hit, THAT'S going in. Even better if it's a longball that you can see the ball in flight. I'll put that one in slow motion and enhance the hell out of it.

In all honesty, paintball is a BORING sport to film, and even more boring to edit. You may not realize it, but out of a 5 minute game there's about 4 minutes of "sit and shoot". You have no idea how DULL that is when you're editing. The "raw" footage for FPS 5 was 45 minutes, plus about 10 minutes of audio when the video feed cut out becasue I yanked a cord. I bring it down to the highlights. And not all highlights are "good".

And I'm mad about that cord yank too, becasue the last game of the night I had a WHOLE BODY to shoot at and I couldn't hit the guy to save my life! It would have been good stuff for the final edit.

I do realize that everyone here is putting thier own spin on what I put out there, and that's fine. I'm used to that by now. But since no single person has asked me what my "agenda" is, or what my "angle" is, or even why I do the things that I do, nobody has the right to speak for me or claim they know what I'm doing. I haven't recieved one e-mail, PM, or any form of communication asking me "Why are you doing that?" Especially not from every person on this thread who has claimed to know my angle, and my "agenda".

'Yall put words in my mouth routinely. How about asking me for some of my own for a change?

[punkncat]

I do realize that everyone here is putting thier own spin on what I put out there, and that's fine. I'm used to that by now. But since no single person has asked me what my "agenda" is, or what my "angle" is, or even why I do the things that I do, nobody has the right to speak for me or claim they know what I'm doing. I haven't recieved one e-mail, PM, or any form of communication asking me "Why are you doing that?" Especially not from every person on this thread who has claimed to know my angle, and my "agenda".

'Yall put words in my mouth routinely. How about asking me for some of my own for a change?

Well allow me to be the first. What were you thinking? What was your "adgenda"? Whats your "angle" ?

Why did you set out to make such a big situation out of a simple walk on game floob?

*note the made up word*

[Beemer]

Me to

Well, if you go back and re-read your post, you said it was "petty," whereas I believe there is nothing more important out there than safety, not only to prevent injuries, but to promote the long-term viability of the sport. I'm glad he sensationalized it. That guy is a pro, yet he can't cough up $2 for a barrel bag? I have 5 of the damn things in my kit I bring everywhere. Thats basic safety 101 right there.

I like that, Basic SAFETY 101. You see the big pic as I do and I agree with the rest of your post. I still wanna be able to play ten years from now some where at a legal field.

If you read the thread you would see that he put on a bag. A rental one at that.
What a lack of class and style on top of no respect for Safety. Five bucks for a new one right from the start and hes golden. What WAS he thinking.

The question is, why is a BBD the first defense and not the last. Its uninformed, uneducated players on PROPER GUN Safety thats why.

Peace Out

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[shortkidsrus]

Cool idea, but I have a question...

This is for everybody that was bagging on Danny Tiljack:

What did you expect him to do when the guy on sidelines coached him?

The only other thing he could have done (besides shoot Tyger) was let himself get bunkered. I don't think I know anybody who would let themselves get bunkered...

[shartley]

I do realize that everyone here is putting thier own spin on what I put out there, and that's fine. I'm used to that by now. But since no single person has asked me what my "agenda" is, or what my "angle" is, or even why I do the things that I do, nobody has the right to speak for me or claim they know what I'm doing. I haven't recieved one e-mail, PM, or any form of communication asking me "Why are you doing that?" Especially not from every person on this thread who has claimed to know my angle, and my "agenda".

'Yall put words in my mouth routinely. How about asking me for some of my own for a change?

[thecavemankevin]

I do realize that everyone here is putting thier own spin on what I put out there, and that's fine. I'm used to that by now. But since no single person has asked me what my "agenda" is, or what my "angle" is, or even why I do the things that I do, nobody has the right to speak for me or claim they know what I'm doing. I haven't recieved one e-mail, PM, or any form of communication asking me "Why are you doing that?" Especially not from every person on this thread who has claimed to know my angle, and my "agenda".

'Yall put words in my mouth routinely. How about asking me for some of my own for a change?

as shartley basically pointed out, your actions clearly speak louder than your words. You tried to make Tiljack look like a fool and your motives be damned....its clear to see that is what you were doing. all the while the true fool was the one in the editing room.

[phantomhitman]

as shartley basically pointed out, your actions clearly speak louder than your words. You tried to make Tiljack look like a fool and your motives be damned....its clear to see that is what you were doing. all the while the true fool was the one in the editing room.

ding ding ding, we have a winner, give this man an item of his choice.

Look, Tiljack wasnt being an ***, his friend was. Of course he is going to say he doesnt play tourneys if you ask him, especially after the "scene" that was caused. Tiljack is not a starter on Dynasty or even close to a star player, that is a moot point anyways. You should have told the manager about the bbd and not repeating it over and over to the ref if that was an issue. He should have had a bbd and he was wrong for not having it. You should have spoken to the manager about the kid smoking also. Why do you and your guys play with walk ons and rec players? You said you and the some of the best pump players in the region were there, what is the purpose of lowering the skill around you? Or am I just looking at different clips of different days? If you would have asked the owner/manager about the rules or just complained to them more would have happened. I also do not see teh point of not confront Dan in person rather than going behind his back to post a video of him on the net.
You point was to show that people are not as honest when you hide the camera and even cave monkeys know that. When you point a camera at people you will see things change wethers its your family or a game. This footage shows nothing about pro players or speedball players at all. I have seen more cheating in rec woodsball games than all of your videos combined. If I had a camera I would prove this but alas I am poor. I understand you want a good clean game but that has to do with the person holding the gun, not what type of game he plays.

[JOESPUD27]

I applaud Tygers efforts and hope he does more hidden camera videos.

on the "coaching" incident,
an honorable player would have been just as mad as tyger.. told the coach to STFU and gave tyger a "do over".

Barrel bag... If it is the field policy for "barrel bags" ONLY, then the offending player should not have even been on the field. I'm sure that the only reason he was allowed was because he's on dynasty.

Ref smoking on the field... wow this field is a classy place.

Fields owners and refs that don't enforce posted rules are the major contributor of the decay of recreational paintball.

QFT Took the words right out of my mouth.

Jay

[Tyger]

as shartley basically pointed out, your actions clearly speak louder than your words. You tried to make Tiljack look like a fool and your motives be damned....its clear to see that is what you were doing.

I caught him in a lie. If he's casually lying about playing in tournaments, then it opens the door to ask what else he's lying about, or being mistruthful about.

[Tyger]

[shartley]

So you're saying you have an agenda yourself, proving my point? 'Put the bad spin on Tyger's video', or simply just bash the guy with quasi-fame? Or just mad that i've managed to get a foothold in the sport through my own hard work, and not through piggybacking on somoene else's fame?

The FPS Series goal is simple. To show people what's going on in paintball. The good, the bad, everything. As stated before, you all flame me when I tell you what I see, now you flame me when I SHOW you too. It's like I'm fighting a wall of disbelief. "Well, he edits the footage" or "Well, he's just showing us what HE WANTS US to see." I could provide a mountian of video evidence of what I've been talking about for years and you still wouldn't believe it because of your personal agenda!

I have no anger twords Dan, in fact I could care less who he is except he lied. If he would have said "Yeah, I play in some tournaments" there would be no problem. But if you lie casually it questions everything else that you do. What else is a lie, or a mistruth? What esle would you casually drop to feed your own purposes?

As far as "Agenda", I have none other than to show what's happening through the unblinking eye. If you believe me or not is your problem. I did mention the safety problems to the field staff, they blew me off, so that proves to me they didn't care. Is it an "Aggressive" stance if fun involves overshooting other customers? If I showed up to your field, and lit up people saying "It's how I play" You'd throw me out. IF a pro player does the same, do you give him preferential treatment? Apparently, some fields do.

I also find it amusing that you hide behind "We've seen it for years" as your defense. That's weaker than attacking me for "not reporting" safety issues becasue the field doesn't care. "Well, expirence tells me this is the way things are." Didn't you flame me for saying the same thing in a PM about a field owner? You flame me for publicly airing a problem without talking to the proper sources, then turn around and do the same thing yourself! You, sir, are a hippocryte.

And on a final note, you say actions speak louder than words. Then I tell you to look at my actions. Did I yell at Dan? Did I challenge him to a fight? Did I get in his face? No. I caught him in a lie, and I caught his friend saying he would "come after" me on the field. Was the video edited? YES, becasue I don't think people want to see 35 minutes of sitting in a bunker aiming a paintgun, or walking to the start area.

And due to the nature of this post, and with laws being passed, I will sign this :

-Rob Rubin AKA : "Tyger"

(That's my REAL NAME, for those keeping score at home. Now you can't report me to the government for being annoying.)