Is the Emag Tourney legal?

[REDRT]

So your saying an RT Mag won't increase it's trigger bounce at 900psi or 1000psi?

I thought we were talking Emag? Imput doesn't make a difference in E mode.

Most presets are 800-850. You think a 100 psi spike on a preset Reg is that difficult to see? Hmm....

Inconsistant reg on the preset tank. What does this have to do with the marker?

And are you saying at has zero fps spike during ROF ?

We are saying not the massive spike in FPS like your making it out to be. A few FPS is about all.

And what's arguement for on field hybrid mode being legal ?

I don't believe anyone argued that hybrid was legal

You know , it's so funny to me how many of you are so hypocritical. A question of simple fact was asked and answered. First people want to argue that the answers are wrong and when that doesn't work it changes to " Well your just being to picky , it's only a little bit illegal. What are you making such a big deal? "

You'all need to put headlights in your tailside.....you guys back up so much.

I think you need to relax before you have a coronary or something. You've been around here/mags for sometime and should know better. Exaggerations is what you been spouting off and bad ones at that. Use the search funtion and find the truth.

[RRfireblade]

I thought we were talking Emag? Imput doesn't make a difference in E mode.

Inconsistant reg on the preset tank. What does this have to do with the marker?
We are saying not the massive spike in FPS like your making it out to be. A few FPS is about all.


I don't believe anyone argued that hybrid was legal


I think you need to relax before you have a coronary or something. You've been around here/mags for sometime and should know better. Exaggerations is what you been spouting off and bad ones at that. Use the search funtion and find the truth.

The input subject came and I responded. That's where it came up.

Show me where I said "massive".

Why don't you argue the FPS ramp issue with AGD , they're the one's who state that it exists right in the owners manual , the one's who had to address it when it became a known tourny issue back in the day and the one's who came up with the Fix for it. It's not like I 'discovered it' and am trying to warn the world.

An inconsistant Reg on Mag most definately has an end result on an RT Mag and it will also effect an Emag if it;s spikes high enough. ( ~1000psi)

And as for Relax ? Do you not see all the smileys ?

I could care less about the whole thing , I was only answering a question and did so with great precision.

[REDRT]

Show me where I said "massive".

You didn't, but you tend to linger on the fact and imply IMO rt's like the Emag spike their velocity and are always shooting hot.

Why don't you argue the FPS ramp issue with AGD , they're the one's who state that it exists right in the owners manual , the one's who had to address it when it became a known tourny issue back in the day and the one's who came up with the Fix for it. It's not like I 'discovered it' and am trying to warn the world.

I just blow the dust of my original RT owners manual. Nowhere does it state anything about velocity spiking, but I thought I had a suppliment that came in the mail back when. The fix was the infamous RT chrono procedure. Woopty do a rise of a couple FPS. Most of the time no one chronos spot on. Everyone chronos alittle lower to avoid penalty Thus what is the problem with the emag?

An inconsistant Reg on Mag most definately has an end result on an RT Mag and it will also effect an Emag if it;s spikes high enough. ( ~1000psi)

As would it effect any marker. But you were talking about bounce and a 800/850psi jump to say a 1000psi isn't going to make the emags trigger bounce in E mode

I could care less about the whole thing

So then drop it.
I care too much to drop it. I like to see more mags on the field. There is nothing wrong with the Emag on the tournament field. Maybe there is some hoops from time to time, but nothing serious enough to DQ it. The little things are so insignificant with the emag It could very well be the perfect marker in my eyes. Oh wait a few personal touches and it is.

[RRfireblade]

I just find it funny watching you guys spin your self in a circle trying to win a losing arguement.


So far your only arguement against to my answers to the posters questions is that I'm too picky. That's quite cute.

And no , a similar spike in a tank Reg has little or no effect on the vast majority of markers being used today. The A.I.R system is the only one I'm aware of that has that problem and we're talking about a company that 'some' people around hear claim to be above the rest and beyond ASTM. I wonder if ASTM was made aware of that potential problem.


So...what it comes down to is why it so important to you that I'm correct ?

Why don't you just answer the posters question like this....

Q. Is the Emag tourny Legal ?

A. I couldn't care less if it is , I'm going to use it regardless of whether or not it breaks some rules I personally find insignificant .

And be done with it.

I do give you credit for being so persistant in the fact that breaking minor rules mean nothing to you nor should they to anyone else but I'm afraid it's still a pathitic point to hang your defense on. Iwould expect more of an AO'er.

[p8ntball72]

I just find it funny watching you guys spin your self in a circle trying to win a losing arguement.


So far your only arguement against to my answers to the posters questions is that I'm too picky. That's quite cute.

And no , a similar spike in a tank Reg has little or no effect on the vast majority of markers being used today. The A.I.R system is the only one I'm aware of that has that problem and we're talking about a company that 'some' people around hear claim to be above the rest and beyond ASTM. I wonder if ASTM was made aware of that potential problem.


So...what it comes down to is why it so important to you that I'm correct ?

Why don't you just answer the posters question like this....

Q. Is the Emag tourny Legal ?

A. I couldn't care less if it is , I'm going to use it regardless of whether or not it breaks some rules I personally find insignificant .

And be done with it.

I do give you credit for being so persistant in the fact that breaking minor rules mean nothing to you nor should they to anyone else but I'm afraid it's still a pathitic point to hang your defense on. Iwould expect more of an AO'er.

your stirring turds that don't exist
Please stop.

{smilies used so you dont attack me}

[REDRT]

I just find it funny watching you guys spin your self in a circle trying to win a losing arguement.


So far your only arguement against to my answers to the posters questions is that I'm too picky. That's quite cute.

And no , a similar spike in a tank Reg has little or no effect on the vast majority of markers being used today. The A.I.R system is the only one I'm aware of that has that problem and we're talking about a company that 'some' people around hear claim to be above the rest and beyond ASTM. I wonder if ASTM was made aware of that potential problem.


So...what it comes down to is why it so important to you that I'm correct ?

Why don't you just answer the posters question like this....

Q. Is the Emag tourny Legal ?

A. I couldn't care less if it is , I'm going to use it regardless of whether or not it breaks some rules I personally find insignificant .

And be done with it.

I do give you credit for being so persistant in the fact that breaking minor rules mean nothing to you nor should they to anyone else but I'm afraid it's still a pathitic point to hang your defense on. Iwould expect more of an AO'er.

Rules are made to be bent. In this case. There is nothing wrong with the Emag. Nobody that should possibly care, does. Emags are "in" and forever will be. Tweak it a tad and Rock on into a new dawn

[RavishingEddie]

Rules are made to be bent. In this case. There is nothing wrong with the Emag. Nobody that should possibly care, does. Emags are "in" and forever will be. Tweak it a tad and Rock on into a new dawn

I love you REDRT. Well I love my Emag more, but you're my second pick.

[Tunaman]

riigghhhttttttt, think of buying a new solenoid or if you lucky a few new orings. which is much better than shooting a teammate in the back of the head 20 times. I love agd products, some of the best stuff out there, but there is so much hypocricy in these forums and slander against other companies/genres of paintball that its sad.

It also doesnt "take more skill" to shoot an emag faster, if you have fast finger you have fast fingers. you can turn debounce down and modes on/off on new elctro guns just as easy as inducing bounce/adding shims/causing runaway on a mag. Funny thing is that is seems cool to see a mag shooting fast but other guns are garbage when doing it

When a field of guys hears an Emag go Runaway they instantly know 2 things:
1. That what they just heard was the fastest thing ever.
2. It is faster than their marker.

Therefore, Mags suck, and they chop, and are gas hogs, so call them illegal. When are people going to see the light?

[REDRT]

I love you REDRT. Well I love my Emag more, but you're my second pick.

Atleast somebody does I'm on the right track then.

[RRfireblade]

Rules are made to be bent. In this case. There is nothing wrong with the Emag. Nobody that should possibly care, does. Emags are "in" and forever will be. Tweak it a tad and Rock on into a new dawn

Cool , do whatever makes you happy.

I never said anyone should stop using thier Mags. There's only one person you need to worry about and you know who that is. Keep in miind your talking to someone who has (and I'm not 100% sure of the number) somewhere around 50-ish Mags. You don;t have to convince me of thier worthyness. I'm just honest about thier faults , as I am about all the markers I own or tech.

Carry on.

[REDRT]

Cool , do whatever makes you happy.

Sweet dreams are made of these


Who I'm I to disagree?

[Beemer]

I shot a mag when it was still a Panther.
When it morphed into the P3 and then a Mag, we had Mag 101 classes. Then we started testing HPA and it was Mags on HPA 101. then it was RT HPA only 101. The only thing I didnt beta is the lvl10. After all that fun in class I am still not sure how it works. :spit_take


So you Quote me and reply with this. You sure you didnt clicky wrong.

So your saying an RT Mag won't increase it's trigger bounce at 900psi or 1000psi? Never said that. That was covered in RT HPA only 101 tho

Most presets are 800-850. You think a 100 psi spike on a preset Reg is that difficult to see? Hmm.... Hmm.... indeed. Lets just say it was an even 100psi creep climp spike failure what ever you want to call it. What would the FPS increase be?

And are you saying at has zero fps spike during ROF ? Uhh you quoted my post that explains this.

And what's arguement for on field hybrid mode being legal ? Missed this one

You know , it's so funny to me how many of you are so hypocritical. A question of simple fact was asked and answered. First people want to argue that the answers are wrong and when that doesn't work it changes to " Well your just being to picky , it's only a little bit illegal. What are you making such a big deal? " You sure you didnt clicky wrong reply cause you cant be talking about me here?

You'all need to put headlights in your tailside.....you guys back up so much. Um any chance you could help me install those

So who pissed in your pool? Tell us and we will get them. Guess you dont have any test measurements to post

What you should really be arguing is the quality and saftey of the HPA Regs you are so concerned about failing.That is primarily where the real danger is anyway.

From Post 42 here http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...&highlight=AGD

[RRfireblade]

Hmm...

You mixed up so many things in there I don't even know how to get it back on track....

Preset PSI spike relates to trigger bounce not FPS....

Uh....I quoted a post made by Calvin. Last time I checked he wasn't working for AGD. I guess if he only found minor shoot up then it doesn't exist. I'll say again for the last time...you need to argue that point with AGD not me.

Just a few statements concerning RT shoot up and input pressure relationships...

If you fire the RT while the air chamber is hot (high pressure) your velocity will be higher. If you wait, the air chamber will cool and velocity will drop noticeably...

Higher input pressures will make the trigger more reactive, but the velocity will drop off more when fired slowly...

Lower input pressures will reduce the reactive trigger and may cause slight shoot down on rapid fire, but the RT will be more consistent over the chronograph when fired slowly...

Talk of this issue from the manufacturer..not me , goes on and on...,

When firing at a rate of 2 shots per second or slower, the RT will maintain consistent velocities.
When shooting at a rate of 3 shots per second or faster, the velocity will be closer to your maximum rapid fire velocity, as set with the quick shot test. Higher input pressure also gives a stronger Reactive Trigger. When chronographing at high input pressures, a rapid fire shot (as described earlier) will be higher than a shot fired after a ten second wait.

Not all my statements were directed at you specifically. I was speaking generally about those attempting to argue with clealy stated facts from the manufacturer. Of course some of them most definately include yourself but not exclusively. I do appologize for the confusion.

So....

I'm still unsure about what 'You' (and others) are trying to debate is over , is it whether the RT fluctuates maximum velocity with ROF ? Should be an obvious and unarguable yes.

Is the Emag tourny legal ? Should be an obvious and unargueable no , it requires modification by the user which may result in other legaltiy questions.

K. Where are we now?

[Beemer]

Ok lets start over

Is the Emag Tourney legal?

Yes. Chrono in mech then remove the switch.

You post this rant and then say sorry. If it wasnt your pool maybe it was your cherrios someone pissed in. AGD did and tried to do more for Safety and the game then most.
My opinion is different on the rest of this. Hang on let me get my head out of AGDs butt

May or may not still be "on the books" but it was something that was known to be looked for as soon as it was found out that RTs ramp velocity. There was a time (and some around who still do) that many people were of the opinion that it was done intentionally by AGD as a hidden cheat mode back in the day when extended range WAS an advantage. It was one of the markers that was specfied to be chrono'd under proper procedure to prevent that possible advantage as well as an unsafe condition on field.

On a side note , it's pretty interesting to me that so many die hard AO'ers ( up AGDs butt too by the way ) praise Mags for saftey this and ASTM that and so forth yet they (AGD) produce and have for over a decade , markers that Ramp velocity , come factory set bounce like no other electro is capable of and if your tank reg takes a dump on you during a game(spike output pressure) will go into a full auto like ROF the likes of which no other marker has ever seen and you'll never know it till you inadvertainly touch the trigger for the first time. Rated for 3000psi huh...well I'll take a blown noid anyday over 34bps into some poor kids brain case'.

Oh , and to this day they (and with that knowledge) they still have yet to do a single darn thing about it.

Sorry , didn't mean to rant.

That's true of any marker , the RT Ramp effect is in addition to that issue and is most definately a measureable difference.

So you measured it then? What were the results?

For the record , I don't have a trigger rod in any of my E/Xmags either

How do you chrono it then?

Again see this thread where I asked questions and you said this.

Originally Posted by RRfireblade
What you should really be arguing is the quality and saftey of the HPA Regs you are so concerned about failing.That is primarily where the real danger is anyway.

From Post 42 here http://www.automags.org/forums/show...0&highlight=AGD

[RRfireblade]

I still don't see what your problem is. Everything I've said is true and you've yet to show any different.

What point are you trying to make ?

What are you tring to argue ?

What are you so angry about ? Seems like your the one some pissed all over. It's a shame howver that you need to stoop to deragatory statements for no apparent reason.