DIY PneuMags & PTP

**BigEvil** · 08-28-2006, 11:29 AM

At this point you probably will not see a PTP pneumag frame.. they are about 3 years too late.

You might still see Nicad's hAIR trigger, I think someone said in a DIY form. I remember somewhere posted that he either settled his dispute with PTP or they come to an agreement or something (I dont remember specifically)

**mobsterboy** · 08-28-2006, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by BigEvil

At this point you probably will not see a PTP pneumag frame.. they are about 3 years too late.

You might still see Nicad's hAIR trigger, I think someone said in a DIY form. I remember somewhere posted that he either settled his dispute with PTP or they come to an agreement or something (I dont remember specifically)

you wont see that either most likely. theres a better market for their new gun than a pneuframe. Dont get me wrong, the hair is awesome, but it wont be worth the production cost to just have 50 made and 10 at most sold a year.

**Shingo** · 08-28-2006, 12:13 PM

But there is an interest for Mag PneuFrames. If there wasn't, people wouldn't be doing these mods in the first place... 10 frames a year? I would imagine they would sell more then that since everyone who wants a PneuMag does not always have the materials, the dramel skill, the know-how or the guts to do the conversion.

I'm sure an actual factory made Pneuframe would be a lot cleaner then most of the DIY jobs that have been done. A working product would sell, even if it's performance is only slightly better then the DIY Pneuframes out there. Really wish I could see what made the PTP PneuFrame tick!

Wonder what the odds are that PTP's Pneuframe specs, diagrams and internal pictures would magically pop up on the web or somehow popped up in my PneuMag How-To Link... *cough-cough* Jay *cough-cough*

~Shingo~

**evildead420** · 08-28-2006, 12:19 PM

im so ready to Pneu my Mag right now. glad i was able to get a UMF

thanks shingo

**Pneumagger** · 08-28-2006, 12:20 PM

I think there is a larger market for the DW hAir Frame than most give it credit for. (I've made more in 3 months than your anual sales estimate) I could see at least 75-100 a year being sold if the hAir is in the 150-200 dollar range. Plus the DW hAir frame won't void AGD services, has better (well suited) construction components designed for this application, will most likely outperform/outlive anything we make ourselves, and is made by DW...'nuff said.

Once nicad is all caught up with producing his Aedes, I believe he will put a couple dozen frames out there. Why wouldn't he want to make an upgrade for a marker that, with the frame, could potentially pwn every other mech marker and dominate that sector of the market. This could possibly breath a little life into AGD as well.

on a side note, I probably don't see PTP persuing this anymore. DW will most likely have the edge when it comes to this frame.

**Shingo** · 08-28-2006, 12:30 PM

But will DW's frame perform as well as PTP's frame? According to Jay, his design takes the Pneumatics to it's peak potential. No other PneuMags can compare to PTP's design. Is this just talk from the designer pumping up his ego? or is there some truth to it?

We may never know

~Shingo~

**Pneumagger** · 08-28-2006, 12:49 PM

DW frame [operates in such a fashion] so as not to cause excess wear and tear on the sear or pneumatics - thus allowing AGD to warrent its use in their product. As long as it can fire 17+ bps, NO ONE will ever out shoot it. Plus, look at DW's hAir video...I would say his frame is taking the MAG VALVE to it's peak potential.

PTP's frame may be taking thier pneumatics to their highest potential, but what if they are using cheaper inferior pneumatics than DW

Then DW's frame doesn't have to push the pneumatic's limitations to get the same performance. I would look at Jay's comment as a negative atribute. (Then again I'm a self-admitted DW Fanboi)

**Cow hunter** · 08-28-2006, 01:46 PM

well after looking into it, it would cost like $120 to do a DIY pnruframe(in my case i would need to get my Zgrip milled out by luke to fit the pneu's).but aking DW to put the hair into production might not appeal to them, after all how many times has there been "oh yeah id defenitly buy that" and then noone buys it?,IMO, unless DW or PTP come to a conclusion they DEFENTLY will make profit on a pneuframe its not gonna happen. maybe if they did a preorder it would work, but otherwise i cant see it happening

/OT; how do you pronounce the new Aedes? is it like 'aids'?

**Shingo** · 08-28-2006, 03:01 PM

IMO, whoever comes out with a complete Pneuframe would make a profit for several reasons:

1- Mags do have a following. Those who want to do something different with their mags will find this upgrade appealing.
2- Mags are highly reliable. Therefore, old mags that are sitting in the bottom of someone's closet should still work. And since the PneuFrame can be installed onto virtually every Mag, old users may want to dust off their mech markers and bring back the glory days of paintball with a little extra kick.

3- The idea of having a marker perform as well as an electro without the concern of having to keep your batteries charged will bring in more buyers.
4- This would breath new life into the mag community meaning there will be more people buying mags and will be looking into upgrading their new marker. PneuFrames would definitly be an upgrade that any mag user would consider.
5- A lot of people can't do the DIY mod (due to lack of material, tools, skills and/or time). It would far easier to just buy the frame built and bolt it onto their mag(s).
6- Coolness Factor

Doesn't matter who comes out with these frames... DW, PTP, Pneumagger, Me or Joe-Bob... there will be a profit. The number of DIY PneuMags that have been built and the amount of Downloads I'm seeing from MY LINK prooves it. The demand for PneuMags is out there, someone just needs to fill it.

~Shingo~

**mobsterboy** · 08-28-2006, 04:44 PM

im not discouraging the work of pneumags, im just saying they missed the window LONG AGO.

**tyrion2323** · 08-29-2006, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by mobsterboy

im not discouraging the work of pneumags, im just saying they missed the window LONG AGO.

qft

**tyrion2323** · 08-29-2006, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Shingo

But will DW's frame perform as well as PTP's frame? According to Jay, his design takes the Pneumatics to it's peak potential. No other PneuMags can compare to PTP's design. Is this just talk from the designer pumping up his ego? or is there some truth to it?

We may never know

~Shingo~

what evidence did he put forth to support these claims? I'm truly interested.

**Shingo** · 08-29-2006, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by tyrion2323

what evidence did he put forth to support these claims? I'm truly interested.

Last year when more talk about PTP's PneuMags was still going strong and very few even considered doing the DIY version, the forum had a lot of threads about PTP's frame. With the few DIY version that were available, people wondered is PTP's better...

RRfireblade (jay) who was the designer of the PTP Pneuframe was very secretive about it but simply said that the DIY PneuMags that was currently out there can't hold a candle to PTP's version (his version). He also states in another thread that the higher the input pressure for the pneumatics, the lighter the trigger pull becomes. also there is no need for ULT or an RT ON/OFF to let the frame work.

Proof... really there isn't any snce it's only talk from the designer. Very few have actually seen ptp's frame, so we really don;t know if anything jay says is true... however, if you are one of the few that have been waiting for so long for ptp to release there frame and closely read what Jay wrote on the threads, you'll have have a sense of respect for the guy. so there is no actual proof... which is why i refer to ptp's pneumag as a myth.

Jay has not said anything about the frame in a while. mainly because he's pretty fed up with the delays in the release himself and hated being pushed by AO and other people for something he had no control over.

To eaze the wait on the Pneumag frams, people started doing the DIY version. As you can see, the Pneumag Clan is growing steadily... you tell me if there is a demand for these frames?

~Shingo~

**Pneumagger** · 08-29-2006, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by Shingo

RRfireblade (jay) who was the designer of the PTP Pneuframe was very secretive about it but simply said that the DIY PneuMags that was currently out there can't hold a candle to PTP's version (his version). He also states in another thread that the higher the input pressure for the pneumatics, the lighter the trigger pull becomes. also there is no need for ULT or an RT ON/OFF to let the frame work.

~Shingo~

So the frame doesn't use an on/off? No offense, but the frames have gotten significantly better in the last two months. The ones now can have a 1mm <1oz pull, don't require a ULT, work with any valve, etc. Any lighter and the trigger return would be too weak. True, in jay's eyes the pneumatics may be inferior, but if they deliver results that that the users can't outshoot...why pay more for hype and a name? However, from here on out all I feel DW or PTP's frame would offer over a DIY Frame would be reliability and a good manufacturers name behind the product...well that and bolt on capapbility for non DIYers.

Personally I would buy DW's frame in a heartbeat if available.

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