DIY PneuMags & PTP

[RRfireblade]

You are right. It would not make much difference, except you have gained a bit of respect from many thousands of users on here and elsewhere.. So what you say is held in high regard and typically not questioned. Again, that is fine, except the times in there were a few passing swipes were made at me and my company. They were assumptions on your part, but read as truth from others. Those posts, comments, and remarks have since been removed. I usually do not get involved with online confrontations. I stick to business as usual. But I feel I have to simply point out here that you do not know everything about DW, AGD, and behind the scenes involving patents and agreements regarding the hAir. I do not think PTP would like for AO to hear my side of the story. I do not know everything as well, but the point is I kept my mouth shut.

For the record , I have 'earned' the respect of many....ask them. Thank you very much.

And my assumptions are clearly stated as such , there's little more I can do than that.

However....

I have NEVER slammed , tainted or negitively commented on you or company ANYWHERE , EVER. In fact I've recommended your products to at least hundreds if not perhaps thousands of people from Barrels to bodies of all makes.


I've always held you in high regard and critically claimed you on your qualtiy of work. I Also commonly reference the hAir and DW when speaking of or responding to Pneumag questions and such. I beleive I've even done so in this thread somewhere.

As for the Patent , like I said , I / We waited through a LONGGGGGG and extenddddeddd period while K2 explored every inch of the Patent. As is now apparent fact - they purchased licensing with the full intent of exploiting the pneumatic portions ,having complete confidense in it's claims and covereage , and had begun doing so some time ago.

With the obvious similarities between the 2 pnuematic triggers , anyone would have to take the edjucated guess that your claims have been covered prior in the PTP patent. That is the 'only' thing I've ever said about the whole connection between the 2. You would have to agree that that would seem to have to been the case.

I've also never questioned the validity of your Patent , my only response again to the connection has been that only a court case could possibly make that distintion now.

I believe I've been quite clear on that both now and in the past and I do appologize if somehow you've come to undertstand otherwise.

I honestly have no care or interest in the Patent side of the product and never really have. I have never seen where it really matters given the full course of the product. I've only done the best I can to answer the seemingly relentless line of questioning that comes evertime the subject comes up , to be honest it's hard to keep track of everything that's been discussed all over the net and I'm quite sure you are aware of how quickly things get twisted around to suit 'certain' peoples needs or egos. When I don't I ask and can only go by what our 'pros' tell me.

Anyway....

I'v been pretty over the whole thing for while , done dozens ( at least ) of contract/R&D work since and have more left to do than I care to think about a day before labor day weekend. Not to mention customs , personal work , my new fiance' ( did I mention I got engaged this week !! ) and....oh yeah , my day job.

So again , I appologize if you felt I wronged you in some way. There was no intent I promise. Other that I think I'll Rabid take over from here.

[Rudz]

ok

now shake on it and call truce

[MANN]

WOW that was alot of info. Congrats on the new fiance. , and thanks for clearing up the patient info.

[RRfireblade]

WOW that was alot of info. Congrats on the new fiance. , and thanks for clearing up the patient info.

Thanks a bunch , believe it or not there are a couple of things more important than paintball.

[nicad]

For the record , I have 'earned' the respect of many....ask them. Thank you very much.

Granted!

I have NEVER slammed , tainted or negitively commented on you or company ANYWHERE , EVER.

Well, Jay, you did remove quite a few of your posts and threads, right?
I did happen to keep a few of the more memorable quotes that you (and rabidchihauhau) have made:
"we (Deadlywind) didn't have the finances to make the product"
"we (Deadlywind) folded because Tom bailed on us"
"we (Deadlywind) do not have the capacity to make volume product"
"our (Deadlywind) design was inferior and that is why AGD 'rejected' it".
Do you think I am making this up? Perhaps some AO'ers here remember some of these.

And even now, a few posts back in this thread, suggesting that the examiner of our patent (who is the same one on the PTP applications) "simply dropped the ball" to have granted our IP. Seriously, why would you say that?

With the obvious similarities between the 2 pneumatic triggers , anyone would have to take the edjucated guess that your claims have been covered prior in the PTP patent.

How would this be an educated guess when PTP does not even have a granted claim covering pneumatic triggers?

What people know about PTP and pneumatic triggers is what has been told to them from you and rabidchihauhau. I am saying that what they have been told is not true.
I challenge anyone to show me a claim # in any granted patent where PTP covers pneumatic triggers.

[mobsterboy]

Jay, while you have quite a bit of power on these forums, you never earned my respect, and i think its the same with most people on here. Sure, you've done some good deals, you've made some nice products, but I think its the situation with most that we just came into the scene, seeing that you demanded respect with the way you talk, as if you could do no wrong. and the fear most new users have towards you and the unwillingness to just figure out your logic when you spew out bs from the mouth, especially about this patent stuff, gets seen as respect to you. Its not, it never will be. Fear is something everyone has and can get. Respect is knowing i can read your posts without thinking,"hmm, so what is jay gonna flipflop about today? is he really serious with where he says he stands on a topic? and when can i openly back him on something i believe in without him switching teams just cuz we were down by 10." Im really tired of all this patent talk...not from everyone else, just from you. You know whats funny? It just makes me loathe you that you can be so cocky even now. "Im not the patent guy....BUT" and then you make an *** of yourself. and the whole "these might just be assumptions....BUT i dont mind if i state them with confidence and truth"

Nicad and Rogue, Ive grown to have a great deal of respect for you two. You guys seem to not look for what products to create, but rather you guys blazed your own trails in the industry, and you guys werent half-***ed. You bothered to stick to the standards of "do it once, do it right"
You both seem to know that "it is better to be silent and look wise rather than to talk and prove yourself ignorant." I respect that because it allows the dust to settle before you take your side and you dont just come out runnin and gunnin at the mouth. It takes a lot of self control to know what you want to say, and be able to wait for the right moment to say it.
It takes a lot to keep integrity in business, and never once have i heard you badmouth a competitors product, the competitor is a totally different story, but you stay fair, and seem to see that your stuff is unique and there really is no competition with your class of products

[RRfireblade]

Granted!
Well, Jay, you did remove quite a few of your posts and threads, right?
I did happen to keep a few of the more memorable quotes that you (and rabidchihauhau) have made:
"we (Deadlywind) didn't have the finances to make the product"
"we (Deadlywind) folded because Tom bailed on us"
"we (Deadlywind) do not have the capacity to make volume product"
"our (Deadlywind) design was inferior and that is why AGD 'rejected' it".
Do you think I am making this up? Perhaps some AO'ers here remember some of these.

And even now, a few posts back in this thread, suggesting that the examiner of our patent (who is the same one on the PTP applications) "simply dropped the ball" to have granted our IP. Seriously, why would you say that?

How would this be an educated guess when PTP does not even have a granted claim covering pneumatic triggers?

What people know about PTP and pneumatic triggers is what has been told to them from you and rabidchihauhau. I am saying that what they have been told is not true.
I challenge anyone to show me a claim # in any granted patent where PTP covers pneumatic triggers.

I can only comment on my comments you refered to , I believe all of which are things you've stated , Tom has stated or eluded to.

You've stated clearly at some time that you didn't have the finances to continue the project. I also seem to remember you saying you may only off some kind of kit or assembly instead of complete frames.

I did say Tom bailed on you and he did , did he not? I didn't say 'you' folded on anything only that you weren't prepared to go it alone at that time... as per your statements.

You stated you were not able to produce the product in volume , that if you did go at it alone it would be in small numbers and people would have to be prepared to wait.

I've never commented on the design at all , infact I've stated on a number of occasions that I've never seen it so I have no knowledge of the design. Now Tom did say that it was very complex and he wasn't sure if he was going to be able to manufacture it in it's current form , wasn't even sure at one time if he could even come up with a safety he was comfortable with. Did he not?

Besides the inferior comment which I never made , where is the lack of truth ?

Or did I miss something and have you and AGD already released the frame in high volume numbers?

[RRfireblade]

So don't read my posts. There , all better now ? Perhaps you'll be a happier person.

Maybe this will help.

or this.

Jay, while you have quite a bit of power on these forums, you never earned my respect, and i think its the same with most people on here. Sure, you've done some good deals, you've made some nice products, but I think its the situation with most that we just came into the scene, seeing that you demanded respect with the way you talk, as if you could do no wrong. and the fear most new users have towards you and the unwillingness to just figure out your logic when you spew out bs from the mouth, especially about this patent stuff, gets seen as respect to you. Its not, it never will be. Fear is something everyone has and can get. Respect is knowing i can read your posts without thinking,"hmm, so what is jay gonna flipflop about today? is he really serious with where he says he stands on a topic? and when can i openly back him on something i believe in without him switching teams just cuz we were down by 10." Im really tired of all this patent talk...not from everyone else, just from you. You know whats funny? It just makes me loathe you that you can be so cocky even now. "Im not the patent guy....BUT" and then you make an *** of yourself. and the whole "these might just be assumptions....BUT i dont mind if i state them with confidence and truth"

Nicad and Rogue, Ive grown to have a great deal of respect for you two. You guys seem to not look for what products to create, but rather you guys blazed your own trails in the industry, and you guys werent half-***ed. You bothered to stick to the standards of "do it once, do it right"
You both seem to know that "it is better to be silent and look wise rather than to talk and prove yourself ignorant." I respect that because it allows the dust to settle before you take your side and you dont just come out runnin and gunnin at the mouth. It takes a lot of self control to know what you want to say, and be able to wait for the right moment to say it.
It takes a lot to keep integrity in business, and never once have i heard you badmouth a competitors product, the competitor is a totally different story, but you stay fair, and seem to see that your stuff is unique and there really is no competition with your class of products

[RRfireblade]

And even now, a few posts back in this thread, suggesting that the examiner of our patent (who is the same one on the PTP applications) "simply dropped the ball" to have granted our IP. Seriously, why would you say that?

How would this be an educated guess when PTP does not even have a granted claim covering pneumatic triggers?

Oh missed that one but then I guess you did too. It was back in the part where I spoke of K2 licensing , or at least told us that was why they did , the pnuematic portion (along with other things) of the patent. If I was to believe that was true and why would I not , then the other assumptions would be quite logical. Wouldn't you think ?

And to the examiner , it's been said by people on our side that he did a very poor job. I would have to think that perhaps that's not the first time.

[RRfireblade]

Showing your true colors. Youre a class act, as always



That would solve everything. Yet, this is always sidestepped, isnt it? Only 1 reason to sidestep ...it doesnt currently exist.

Actually Nicad called that statement a lie. I guess if I didn't respond then it would be a side step?

Talk about class.

[RRfireblade]

7. A method of assisting the movement of a trigger between a resting position and a firing position to increase the rate at which paintballs can be fired from a paintball gun, the method comprising the steps of: positioning a force element behind the trigger of the paintball gun; sensing the movement of the trigger from the resting position to the firing position; and activating the force element to assist the movement of the trigger from the resting position to the firing position.

8. The method of claim 7 further comprising: positioning a second force element in front of the trigger of the paintball gun; sensing the movement of the trigger from the firing position to the resting position; and activating the second force element to assist the return movement of the trigger from the firing position to the resting position.

11. A mechanism for assisting the movement of a trigger between a resting position and a firing position to increase the rate at which paintballs can be fired from a paintball gun, the assistance mechanism comprising a force element positioned behind the trigger, the force element being operable to assist movement of the trigger between the resting position and the firing position.

Could a ram and/or trigger switch , pneumatic or otherwise not be an element of force ?

Maybe the Patent experts can chime in , does it have to specify pneumatic or is simply a device capable of generating force not qualify regardless of what you use?

[RRfireblade]

Gimmie a second to type, geez.

You know it's 2 o clock in the morning here?

[RRfireblade]

And we've already shown pnuematic to be stated in the abstract so it seems it should have relevence here as a force element , especially considering pneumatic rams are commonly used in paintball markers.

[RRfireblade]

Alright , I got some more...

Page 10 of the actual patent docs. I guess you'll have to go read it since I don't know how to C/P from a PDF but at like the 3rd or 4th paragraph on that page decribes the pneumatic trigger mechanism is pretty precise detail.

On the right track? or no?

[RRfireblade]

There's more references to that in the right side of the page in the middle-ish paragraphs.