DIY PneuMags & PTP

[Pneumagger]

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So making something for myself that I can never have is illegal? How about all the people who see something, cant afford it and "make one"...for example, homeade go karts. If I wanted a go kart and built one, that is illegal? (I'm assuming there's got to be a ton of go kart patent/designs)

Poor example, just kinda a first thought thing...but you get the Idea.

[650HP]

Until the "professionals" do put a product to market the DIYers are the pros.

[craltal]

So making something for myself that I can never have is illegal? How about all the people who see something, cant afford it and "make one"...for example, homeade go karts. If I wanted a go kart and built one, that is illegal? (I'm assuming there's got to be a ton of go kart patent/designs)

Poor example, just kinda a first thought thing...but you get the Idea.

technically, yes.

[Carbon Blue]

Until the "professionals" do put a product to market the DIYers are the pros.

[Shingo]

So if PTP does not come out with it then by law no one is suppose to have a Pneumag. Or any Pneumatic assisted trigger frame. Totally sucks.

For the record... old link is for "educational purposes" only. Mainly for people who want to learn more about how the DIY is done. I'm not forcing or encouraging anyone to make their own PneuMag. You can show people how to make a patent protected go-kart but it's upto that person to know that it's not legal to build it themselves.

I can be wrong.

~Shingo~

[Pneumagger]

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I can be wrong.

~Shingo~

Famous last words

[egb groupie]

What I don't understand is the fact that PTP is keeping there design such a secret, how would anyone know if they were violating a patent in the first place. It's not like PTP could say, well you are violating one of ours patents and/or designs...DIY'er says prove it.....PTP say well, it's a secret, but yeah you are wrong....I just don't see how it works...

[Pneumagger]

A valid point inndeed. Based on the fact that all we've heard from PTP/DW is how much better and different thier pneuframes are than a DIY frame, that would suggest that a Home DIY frame would be DIFFERENT and OK to persue on your own. I mean, if the DIY frame uses such inferior compnents and design concepts...then whats the big deal of making our own?

That would be like coke sueing pepsi and every other soft drink maker because they had the first can of soda.

[UThomas]

I already posted a link to one of the patents - check it out - it has detailed diagrams. A bit more sophisticated then the DIY models - pretty cool actually.

[pump]

Insanity

PneuCocker

I want one so bad

[craltal]

then explain why smart parts gets money for every gun that includes an electronic switch and dye get money for spool valves?

the logic and the letter of the law don't always follow the same path. go look up patent law and intelluctual property and then come back and try furthering this discussion.

I'm not directing this at any one in particular. I'm just having flashbacks to when the SP patent came about and all of the comments that ensued

[650HP]

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.

[craltal]

apparently the patent office was satisfied that this was the first. Maybe Pun doesn't care to get involved due to the small size of his shop?

Same argument can be made with 'cockers. Glenn Palmer made the first semi before Bud Orr, but who does everyone believe came up with the first pneumatic semi-automatic paintball gun?

[ultralight]

i found this interesting.

[egb groupie]

So PTP and DW are forced to go after every DIY PneuMag maker like the RIAA goes after illegal downloaders?