Should i post anything about MXS?

[Dark Side]

Obviously you want me to spoon feed it to you so you can pick at it rather then find it out for yourself. But here you go, I am feeling generous.

He was released on good behaviour, he served 9 months probation and was released from that, Whereas he moved from OK to Texas to live with his parents. The violations since then have been done to females, with his postion in the sport as a top promoter, they already felt no one would believe them. Most of them took their complaints to Mother, and she chose to side with Patrick who used a typical statement that either they wanted it or that they were lying. Some of them were then run out of the sport by blackballing them to the industry or other players, while others chose to either fight back in other ways (You figure it out, I aint that gracious). There is no parole or probation that he is on. He served time for 3 counts, he completed 2 of them and got out early on the other.

These women know about this, I have talked to them and none of them will come forward because of comments such as yours and the others here who want to give the benefit of the doubt to a man convicted of a crime not even the ones he comitted since them. What about that don't you understand? Your seeming support of the fact that he was found guilty and convicted yet you defend him or his ideals here makes other victims not come forth.

And I cannot and will not force them to. You don't have a daughter do you? Ever been touched by rape? I mean really touched, sister, mother, wife, GF?

Yes I have 2 daughters. My wife before we met was raped. I'd kill the person that would harm them. Maybe that's why my wife never told me who hurt her.

Once again. How did I side with MXS? How did I ever give pacman the benefit of the doubt. Quote my exact words that prove this or stop saying that I did.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

I have 2 daughters, 15 and 7, my 15 year old plays scenrio paintball (She just won her first MVP and no I didn't give it to her). They both know 'Mr. Pacman' as they called him as he and Diane came over to my house for holidays and such. They also spent time with Patrick and Diane if I needed to run to town or such, and I had to sit down with them and ask some hard questions. And then some people on here want to just boil it down to I am out to get the man?

My mother was raped (Solved, the man was in jail, however he died a few days after getting out)
My wife was raped, (On base by a Marine, he was never caught, however the person thought of doing ate a bullet.)
My Best Friend was raped (her was unsolved as well)

So I see this as a personal affront to anything that is good in scenario paintball. This is beyond 'supposed' shaving points by a promoter.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Read this post and see if you can see where someone would draw a conclusion that even though you say you do not condone him, you are defending him.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?p=36615540#post36615540

[Dark Side]

I have 2 daughters, 15 and 7, my 15 year old plays scenrio paintball (She just won her first MVP and no I didn't give it to her). They both know 'Mr. Pacman' as they called him as he and Diane came over to my house for holidays and such. They also spent time with Patrick and Diane if I needed to run to town or such, and I had to sit down with them and ask some hard questions. And then some people on here want to just boil it down to I am out to get the man?

My mother was raped (Solved, the man was in jail, however he died a few days after getting out)
My wife was raped, (On base by a Marine, he was never caught, however the person thought of doing ate a bullet.)
My Best Friend was raped (her was unsolved as well)

So I see this as a personal affront to anything that is good in scenario paintball. This is beyond 'supposed' shaving points by a promoter.

I believe that to be true. Pacman is a POS for what he did. End of story for him. But we have an unresolved issue. Why do you believe me to stand up for what pacman did?

I started posting in this thread because you jumped on a 17 year old kid for believing what he does. He saw things differently than you did and I will not just sit idly by while it happens.

I don't know anything about a promoter shaving points or cheating or whatever might have gone on at any Scenarioor any other type of game. I've seen what I've seen at the games that I've been to. I enjoy playing the game in it's purest form. Would I love to go to an elite weekend? Sure but I doubt anyone here is going to pay for me, and I can't shell out the $250+ for a weekend. So saying if you want it bad enough you will pay for it, and calling the players who don't want to pay that much a bunch of newbs is plain assinine.

I do have a question that is bothering me though. Why leave your girls alone with a convicted rapist?

[SCpoloRicker]

You do? Where do you work for me at?

I'm really getting a kick at that!

LURK MOAR.

[Dark Side]

Read this post and see if you can see where someone would draw a conclusion that even though you say you do not condone him, you are defending him.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...0#post36615540

Basing your opinion off of perception is a foolish one.

Because I started the post with a "I neither defend nor codone" automatically makes me for him?

I believe "I neither defend nor codone" meant I neither defend nor condone. No where in my post did I say I was for the guy. I asked if you ever made a mistake? That might have been the closest thing you could misconstrue.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

I believe that to be true. Pacman is a POS for what he did. End of story for him. But we have an unresolved issue. Why do you believe me to stand up for what pacman did?

I started posting in this thread because you jumped on a 17 year old kid for believing what he does. He saw things differently than you did and I will not just sit idly by while it happens.

I don't know anything about a promoter shaving points or cheating or whatever might have gone on at any Scenarioor any other type of game. I've seen what I've seen at the games that I've been to. I enjoy playing the game in it's purest form. Would I love to go to an elite weekend? Sure but I doubt anyone here is going to pay for me, and I can't shell out the $250+ for a weekend. So saying if you want it bad enough you will pay for it, and calling the players who don't want to pay that much a bunch of newbs is plain assinine.

I do have a question that is bothering me though. Why leave your girls alone with a convicted rapist?

I didn't know he was rapist, see my point? This was all buried so that no one that was close to Patrick other then maybe Diane knew about his past. Do you pull background checks on your friends? No, but I will not leave my children with anyone that hasn't gone through that, you can rest assured.

As for the jumping on the 17 year old, he got into something like a big boy, he should have been able to handle it or not got into it. But he equated Black Cat to being worse then a convicted rapist because of a perceived wronging at a scenario event. That to me is inexcusable, since I know both parties (Pacman and Black Cat, personally). Joke all you want, but I know quite a bit about most of the people who are at the top of the scenario ladder. I have my issues with Spiro as well, but I am not about to let someone get on here and compare him to a convicted rapist. That's just wrong, no matter how you slice it.

As for the 'elite' weekend as you called it, that would be Special Ops with their $1500 to $2300 to play for 3 days and you wanted to bust on Viper for having a game for people who want to compete at a higer level then normal scenario play. It maynot be for you, you don't have to like it, but it is not the end of scenario paintball because he is doing it. To a lot of people the attacking of it comes across as sour grapes.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Basing your opinion off of perception is a foolish one.

Because I started the post with a "I neither defend nor codone" automatically makes me for him?

I believe "I neither defend nor codone" meant I neither defend nor condone. No where in my post did I say I was for the guy. I asked if you ever made a mistake? That might have been the closest thing you could misconstrue.

Wouldn't be the first time I was foolish. idiotic or moronic today, now would it?

You say you don't support him, but defense of people who do support him (very fervently) links you to said defense whether you say no or not. At least IMO, that better?

And yes I have made mistakes and if I was a promoter/producer and someone felt the need to bring them out, I would have to face them if I wanted to stay in the sport. Since most of you do not know Pacman, if you think him resigning from MXS is the end of this, you are sadly mistaken and you do not know the man at all. Read my column on owning copyrights and trademarks in this sport and other things involving MXS.

The simple fact is that this did not have to be buried, he could have already told people and overcame the stigma of what he did by facing the music, donating money to women's shelters and such. You can ask how do you know he didnt? Because I knew the man as close as someone can fvor over 4.5 years. I lived with him and his wife, I wrote games, storylines, cards, and helped them with their business (how to use P&L's and more). I built their computer network and I helped in other ways that I am not proud of. I have talked to Viper and Wayne Dollack about the harm I caused them and apologized to both men. They have chosen to forgive me and allow me to play their games. But the crime was bad enough, the way it is being handled by MXS and some of the scenario public is just as appalling.

[Dark Side]

I didn't know he was rapist, see my point? This was all buried so that no one that was close to Patrick other then maybe Diane knew about his past. Do you pull background checks on your friends? No, but I will not leave my children with anyone that hasn't gone through that, you can rest assured.

As for the jumping on the 17 year old, he got into something like a big boy, he should have been able to handle it or not got into it. But he equated Black Cat to being worse then a convicted rapist because of a perceived wronging at a scenario event. That to me is inexcusable, since I know both parties (Pacman and Black Cat, personally). Joke all you want, but I know quite a bit about most of the people who are at the top of the scenario ladder. I have my issues with Spiro as well, but I am not about to let someone get on here and compare him to a convicted rapist. That's just wrong, no matter how you slice it.

As for the 'elite' weekend as you called it, that would be Special Ops with their $1500 to $2300 to play for 3 days and you wanted to bust on Viper for having a game for people who want to compete at a higer level then normal scenario play. It maynot be for you, you don't have to like it, but it is not the end of scenario paintball because he is doing it. To a lot of people the attacking of it comes across as sour grapes.

Specops also gave away some of those spots for free if I read correctly. I misnamed it. The Oct Blanding event is still too expensive for me at this point. I did not bust on Viper for having an event at a higher level than normal play. I busted on him for advertising for an invite only game. You have very think skin if you feel that asking if you have to be bribed is busting on on person. The only person it should come across as sour grapes to should be Viper.

I never joked about anything dealing with a game or the promoters of them.

[SCpoloRicker]

Wouldn't be the first time I was foolish. idiotic or moronic today, now would it?

Probably not.

You say you don't support him, but defense of people who do support him (very fervently) links you to said defense whether you say no or not. At least IMO, that better?

Uh, no. And your english is terrible.

[Dark Side]

Wouldn't be the first time I was foolish. idiotic or moronic today, now would it?

You say you don't support him, but defense of people who do support him (very fervently) links you to said defense whether you say no or not. At least IMO, that better?

Yes, it at least gives me a reason for your actions today.

And yes I have made mistakes and if I was a promoter/producer and someone felt the need to bring them out, I would have to face them if I wanted to stay in the sport. Since most of you do not know Pacman, if you think him resigning from MXS is the end of this, you are sadly mistaken and you do not know the man at all. Read my column on owning copyrights and trademarks in this sport and other things involving MXS.

I do not know or have ever met ANYONE associated with MXS. I do not believe it is over. He will still receive money for MXS events.

The simple fact is that this did not have to be buried, he could have already told people and overcame the stigma of what he did by facing the music, donating money to women's shelters and such. You can ask how do you know he didnt? Because I knew the man as close as someone can fvor over 4.5 years. I lived with him and his wife, I wrote games, storylines, cards, and helped them with their business (how to use P&L's and more). I built their computer network and I helped in other ways that I am not proud of. I have talked to Viper and Wayne Dollack about the harm I caused them and apologized to both men. They have chosen to forgive me and allow me to play their games. But the crime was bad enough, the way it is being handled by MXS and some of the scenario public is just as appalling.

Nope he didn't. He could have stood up and corrected to the best of his abilities the errors he had created.

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[Lawrence TB Wright]

Uh, no. And your english is terrible.

Why thank you, would your prefer German or Spanish? Is that all you can find to question me about?

[SCpoloRicker]

Why thank you, would your prefer German or Spanish? Is that all you can find to question me about?

Well, I meant to imply that your line of argument is flawed.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

You implied that because my english wasn't up to your specs that my arguement is flawed.

OK

[Ninjeff]

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Boy, this thread took a turn for the silly.