Should i post anything about MXS?

[oldsoldier]

there is no defense info

he plead guilty

Are you kidding me? How much do you know about the legal system? Pleading guilty can prevent him from civil lawsuits, a longer sentence; there are several reasons why people plead guilty. And, on THAT topic....he did his time. Served it all. You all are passing judgement on someone most of you have never met. Do you know all the details? What if the individual who waspressing charges originally had an ulterior motive? What if she threatened to blackmail him, take money, or something such as that? You all pass judgment on someone like you are sitting all high & mighty. Look back on your OWN lives; have you lived sin-free? I'll bet not. I'll even one up that; I'll bet that, at least a good half of you have done something that you could be convicted as a felon for. Would you like someone bringing that up, 25 years from now? He isnt proud o what he'd done, he served his time, and moved on. Has he done it again? Nope, but everyone here is quick to hang him on something in his distant past.
Oh, look at Duke University. They were al "convicted" before any trial.Jumping to conclusions, based on the testimony of one person. You all make me sick. No wonder I hardly ever visit this site any more.

[SR_matt]

i will also put out this little idea since we are trying to bash each-other with psych crap, if some one is of the type to be taken advantage of do you really think they are going to have the mind to go out, find history on this guy and email it to 25 separate places as a retaliation? IMHO i doubt that


i can list a lot of other people that i would feel a lot less comfortable around at a game that i have hung out with that could get away with a lot more than pacman.

again think of all the things you as an individual have done or let happen and just put up with it, it might not have been a rape but i bet almost every guy here could have been charged with "sexual harassment" more than once in their lives.

locally there was a field that was a competitor of a field i used to work at. the lady that was now running the field i used to work at had spread FALSE rumors of sexual abuse about him and got the field shut down. any one that would do this the way it was done was not to help others but to hurt MXS and pacman in a business sense.

-matt

[Badmovies.org]

Not quite enough background information for this particular case. However, if the state law is that a sex offender (of any kind) cannot be involved in a business or activity that would bring them into contact with children, then any complaints are a moot point.

Also, I'd like to say that I never have subscribed to "He did his time, his slate is clean." Wrong, society sticks them in jail as a way to deter them (and others who might think about doing it) from doing it again, to hopefully give them enough time to change, and also to remove them from society at large - so they cannot do it again.

If you committed a crime, you get to live with it. Don't like it that 20 years later people still label you as a rapist? Tough.

Nor do I ever give any credibility to "pleading guilty, even though he wasn't, was the smart choice."

[SR_matt]

yes but at the same time usually if some one is going to be a repeat offender they are not going to commit one crime every 20 years

-matt

[Ninjeff]

Are you kidding me? How much do you know about the legal system? Pleading guilty can prevent him from civil lawsuits, a longer sentence; there are several reasons why people plead guilty. And, on THAT topic....he did his time. Served it all. You all are passing judgement on someone most of you have never met. Do you know all the details? What if the individual who waspressing charges originally had an ulterior motive? What if she threatened to blackmail him, take money, or something such as that? You all pass judgment on someone like you are sitting all high & mighty. Look back on your OWN lives; have you lived sin-free? I'll bet not. I'll even one up that; I'll bet that, at least a good half of you have done something that you could be convicted as a felon for. Would you like someone bringing that up, 25 years from now? He isnt proud o what he'd done, he served his time, and moved on. Has he done it again? Nope, but everyone here is quick to hang him on something in his distant past.
Oh, look at Duke University. They were al "convicted" before any trial.Jumping to conclusions, based on the testimony of one person. You all make me sick. No wonder I hardly ever visit this site any more.

totally see what your saying. Except, dont you think your going just a"bit" over board? Im not trying to be confrontational, truely, but the last line really bugs me.

He bound and gagged a woman, forced himself on her MULTIPLE times, violated every place he could, physically assaulted her through torture and then proceeded to violate the individual with what was reported to be a "drumstick". As in the wooden tool you use to play drums with.
And your calling US sick?

Again, my friend, im not trying to be confrontational, or rile you up.....but the logic seems, well, backwards to me.
Surely, i have sinned a great deal in my life, i am no angel. I have skeletons. None of which would land a felony on me, and none of which could even come remotely close to what he did. Ive been raised to treat ladies like ladies. Who knows, maybe its different other places.

Did he serve his time? Sure he did. But the mind of such an individual that would not just force himself upon someone, but would do so through physical torture, gags, and restraints and the use of one musical tool is not the kind of mind that i would trust to be fully rehabilitated. You have to be one messed up individual to do those things. thats my feeling.
And, concurrently, my feeling is i want him to have NO part EVER in this sport. I dont want him to be able to run one of the larger scenario promotional companies in the south. Paintball is a buisness liek anything else. I wonder how Microsoft, Ford, GM, Heck even Burger Kings CEO would fare if this were to come to light on them. Or the promoters for the Super Bowl, or the promoters for the World Series? What about Budd Orr, Dave Youngblood or any other major buisness player in paintball? what if this came to light on them? what then?

[craltal]

Not quite enough background information for this particular case. However, if the state law is that a sex offender (of any kind) cannot be involved in a business or activity that would bring them into contact with children, then any complaints are a moot point.

Also, I'd like to say that I never have subscribed to "He did his time, his slate is clean." Wrong, society sticks them in jail as a way to deter them (and others who might think about doing it) from doing it again, to hopefully give them enough time to change, and also to remove them from society at large - so they cannot do it again.

If you committed a crime, you get to live with it. Don't like it that 20 years later people still label you as a rapist? Tough.

Nor do I ever give any credibility to "pleading guilty, even though he wasn't, was the smart choice."

Actually the laws usually state that anyone one the registered sex offenders list can't. due to the age of the crime and how everything played out (as well as how the laws are written), it sounds like there's a chance he doesn't qualify to be on the list so he wouldn't be held to the limitations.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Amazing that people who don't know him half as well as I do defend him as if he is being accused rather then having been convicted.

How's this for you, there are no less then 5 women he has mis-treated in some way (2 of which he drove out of the sport, another who cost him a field and 2 others who will remain nameless), mis-treated = sexual assault. However none of them will come forward because of the tripe you guys have posted defending him. What he did was indefensible, yet you make excuses for him.

That's ok, there are people who hate this country and some of you defending Pacman probably don't understand why? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds since this isn't about him or what he did, you have made it about who released it. Why does that matter?

If he hadn't done the crime it wouldn't matter. If he had admitted to it and sought counseling and truly tried to make things better when he got out of jail then thhings might be different. His Best Friend for over 7 years got on the internet to distance himself from a crime that he didn't know that he found heinous. His other best friend and former team-mate has done the same. You say the man has not comitted any other crimes, I tell you that you are wrong. No one will say or do anything because he either threatens to sue them or he knows that people like you will defend MXS or Pacman to the end just because you have been conditioned to do so. I pity you all and I pray that no one ever touches your life the way that he has touched mine.

[Mike Smith]

i will also put out this little idea since we are trying to bash each-other with psych crap, if some one is of the type to be taken advantage of do you really think they are going to have the mind to go out, find history on this guy and email it to 25 separate places as a retaliation? IMHO i doubt that


i can list a lot of other people that i would feel a lot less comfortable around at a game that i have hung out with that could get away with a lot more than pacman.

again think of all the things you as an individual have done or let happen and just put up with it, it might not have been a rape but i bet almost every guy here could have been charged with "sexual harassment" more than once in their lives.

locally there was a field that was a competitor of a field i used to work at. the lady that was now running the field i used to work at had spread FALSE rumors of sexual abuse about him and got the field shut down. any one that would do this the way it was done was not to help others but to hurt MXS and pacman in a business sense.

-matt

OK Matt.

You believe that pacman can intimidate vendors into not showing for other promoters events, he can spread rumors and lies about other promoters, and he can sign exclusive agreements with fields, intentionally keeping other promoters out, BUT if someone was hurt by mxs and retaliates against that predatory business tactic, then they are not helping "the public" but are unfairly hurting mxs.

Also, equating sexual harassment with rape is ignorant. "You got a HOT A__" is not anywhere near "I'm gonna tie you down and rape you".

Are you related to pacman?

[SR_matt]

you say that the business practices of pacman are different or worse than other prodders, im sure there are some out there that do not do that but the others ones besides MXS i have dealt with do it blatantly where MXS at least seems to do it a little more low key.

im not saying harassment is as bad as rape but ti is a step towards it.

Lawrence what the hell does people hating this country have to do with this, are you trying to use that as an example for something because if you are you came across sounding like an extremist "patriot" using "terrorism" to prove a point here that is totally unrelated, if your using it as an example please explain it better because it makes no sense.

no i am not related to him but i have friends who have known him for years and that is how i was introduced to him. i have never gotten even a slight feeling of him being sketchy and i normally pick up on that. i have never seen him be rude to anyone (kinda *****y when people broke safety rules but thats it).

al the people on my team and friend teams are not going to stop playing MXS because frankly this isnt really our business and frankly i think this was done to hurt his business not to protect anyone.

-matt

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Well that is your choice, however you may some of the only ones there. You can have your opinion that this was only done to hurt his business, but the fact is that if someone had this sort of thing in their past, why would they engage in the behaviour that he has over the years.

Name another major producer who does it? Name one that you know personally that has done it.... can you? I doubt that you can name much sine you are only 17 years old, I am sure that even you have been to higest level of scenario paintball with your inside contacts with the biggest names in the industry right?

Don't speak in speculation or through out that they all do it so it must be ok. Never mind, you think that he is ok now because he spent a few years in a cell. You do realize that all good behaciour means is that he didn't get into any trouble while he was there, right? Not that he became a better person? What has HE done for scenario paintball? He put on games and made money.

Blanding had scenario games before him.
So did other places, there were rules before MXS.
There were Charity events before MXS.

Viper approached Wayne and asked would he have a problem with Viper doing games out west. Did MXS? No, they tried to steal players and sponsors. They tried to hurt Wayne reputation and used hate and dissension to build MXS. I was there, inside sitting at their dinner table, were you? Do not pretend to speak that from which you do not know.

What did he bring to the picture but hate and confusion? When it was Wayne and Viper they worked together, and they still do or did you not come to the Wayne Dollack/Viper Paintoberfest game?

MXS is the sole reason for the Texas Scenario Community to have been destroyed. Think about this, Texas used to be the largest scenario scene after FL, now there are maybe 30 teams in Texas of scenario players. 30 for the largest state in the country? Where did they all go? Most will tell you that they were friends with MXS and Viper and were going to wait it out, however then they found other things to do and haven't come back. Everyone in Texas is devisive, the MXS Groupies scream you should come to our side it's better, the Viper supporters do the same and very few (like less then 70 players) play both. So it's why a game in Texas that used to be over 1000 can barely pull together 300 and thats with people coming from outside the state. And that was before this 'bomb' dropped.

You make it sound like MXS was the top company brfore this, they haven't been for awhile. They have lost field after field before any of these became public. Sherwood Forest in IN, EMR in PA, Wildfire in GA, CPX in IL, the list goes on and on of these 400 to 600 player games that MXS has lost due to their attitudes and business practices. Obviously you were not there when Patrick physically assaulted a player at his event not as a player as the promoter. Don't even get me started on his conduct as a player, were you on his team? No I didn't think so.

So while oldosldier may be screaming how we make him sick, you 5% can feel that way. the other 95% are sick not only at the crime that happened, how MXS has chosen to address it but also how you condone it by saying it doesn't matter.

And on the other thing, while there is nothing wrong with being a super-patriot, it was meant to say that some people who are saying that it is ok that Packman paid his dues are some of the first ones who go overboard on the patritotism of others. It was really a superfluous point.

[SR_matt]

everything i have seen pacman do here in VA have been great, Only 2 big names realyl come to VA regularly and MXS has changed VA from a state with a few teams to a huge scenario group now. you have a lot of bad personal stories about him, i can turn around to a good friend who has jsut as many positive ones. until i see him act differantly than he has acted at the games ive been at its going to be hard for me to justify having anything against the man.

and then also comes the point that by not supporting MXS you do not support pacman but you also do not suport mother, what has she done?
-matt

[Lawrence TB Wright]

She has been an active participant in the company called MXS, what you do not understand either do to age or lack on interaction is that they are two faces of the same person. It is a carefully built image of the 'bad cop' and the 'good cop'. If you feel sorry for Mother then you will be more forgiving of Pacman. For someone 'who just drives the RV' as he used to tout himself, he had more of a hand in MXS then you realize. He wrote the checks, he signed the checks, he handled the business end, he made the deals.

He made VA? Did you forget Black Cat? Spiro was the first promoter in VA, yet Pat and Diane came into VA and have started a promoter war there with Black Cat by going to same dates. Yes Black Cat has started fighting back the only way you can (you can only take the high ground so long before you lose business) but it doesn't stop the fact that MXS came into VA and split the players and this is a proven business ploy (I know I designed it with them).

But you can choose to do what you will with your parent's money I guess, however hopefully the more educated players will start to look at this and realize one simple fact. Who benefits from a divided player base? The promoter who doesn't engage in that behaviour to begin with or the one who uses the controversy of how everyone is against me to their advantage.

If you read my articles on my site you will realize that the psychology of it all has been 'beaten' into you. No matter what anyone says, it isn't MXS's fault and it people attacking them. No matter what the proof is, it isn't MXS's fault and it is people attacking them. And that's ok, you are being a good social experiement by making your choices based on what you have been conditioned to do. However as someone told me the other day, they have travelled the country to promote their field that MXS does games at, and he has had heard tons of stories from common everyday players in different parts of the country that say that they would love to come play their field but they will not give MXS their money. And that has nothing to do with me, this information or how it was released but has everything to do with how they treat their customers before this happened and since.

[SR_matt]

first off BC has proven to be a total jerk to most of the teams i play with, some of the biggest names wil not play at his games because of it. BC comes across a lot more shady than any one at mxs does to me. every BC game i went to there were issues: bad paint, story line was messed with by spyro substantially during the game, scores were substantially altered to make it "come down to the final battle" even when one side was doing much much better just so "every one is a winner"

i do understand how the company works im not stupid

third the "parents money" comment is out of line, just because i am 17 does not mean "mommy and daddy" pay or my playing, they have loaned me money to go play but i pay it back, i worked at a field for almost 2 years to support my hobby and have payed for everything myself. you are acting like because i am still "just a teenager" i dont know what is going on and i cannot think for my self.

how the hell am i being a god social experiment, i have not been conditioned to say its not MXS's fault i am saying this is a lot of crap that people are attacking him this long after and attacking his company. obviously a lot of you have issues with pacman and what ever that is your issue but plenty of other people have issues with the other producers for what ever other reasons, the reasons might not make sense to others but there is no need to basically tell them they are just being proving the point that you are right because they do not agree with you.

-matt

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Oh? Then tell me how Spiro 'manipulating' a game as you say compares to raping a woman in a heinous way? How does one compare to the other?

Have you been in the trailer when said manipulating happend? You sound like one of those players who thinks that there is no way anyone could get on over on me, so that person must have cheated.

The comment to your age is just that, you are the same age as my son and I would think that he would have done just about as much investigation into all of this as you probably have. You have been told what happened by others, people you look up to. You have been 'conditioned' with stories about magic trees and such, since I am sure you do not know Spiro.

Want a little history lesson? MXS invited Spiro out the first year that they had games to teach players across the country how to play games, I know he taught me. MXS acutally helped 'found' Black Cat because they knew Spiro wanted to produce games and Bob McGuire from the APL wanted to host games so he introduced them and Black Cat was formed. So LOL, MXS created their own competition, the only problem is when Spiro 'bit' the hand that made him, as so many others including myself have been accused of. When they found out that they couldn't control him, then well let's say the gloves came off. Spiro to this day will not go into a state that someone else is in (even if invited) because he didn't want it to happen to him. He refuses to come to Texas, even though field after field have tried to get him in the hopes that fresh blood might wake up the scenario public here. And he refuses unless MXS and Viper give their blessing. However, as I have been told by Viper he wouldn't have an issue, MXS on the other hand, not so much. Yet they have gone into several states where Spiro has been and tried to pull customers to him.

So how can you dislike or judge a man you do not know? Seems like it is the same thing you are accusing other of doing, the only difference, Patrick is a convicted violent sex offender and Spiro is not.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

And the field you work at in VA, could it be one that is the host of the MXS events there?

Just wondering. Why you may ask?

Because friends do not let friends play games run by rapist's and their families!