Should i post anything about MXS?

[maniacmechanic]

I read the whole thread & most of the thread on spec ops . Just answer me this how well do you know all the people on this forum or any other forum your regularly on ? How well do you know your neighbor 3 doors down ? How well do you know the people you work with ?
But people make judgements about other's actions based not on firsthand evidence but rumor and inuenido . I just don't get it . If you don't know the man and EXACTLY what ,when & where let it go . Personally Its none of my bussiness ,I have enough trouble running my own life let alone trying to run someone else's

[craltal]

I read the whole thread & most of the thread on spec ops . Just answer me this how well do you know all the people on this forum or any other forum your regularly on ? How well do you know your neighbor 3 doors down ? How well do you know the people you work with ?
But people make judgements about other's actions based not on firsthand evidence but rumor and inuenido . I just don't get it . If you don't know the man and EXACTLY what ,when & where let it go . Personally Its none of my bussiness ,I have enough trouble running my own life let alone trying to run someone else's

[Mike Smith]

I read the whole thread & most of the thread on spec ops . Just answer me this how well do you know all the people on this forum or any other forum your regularly on ? How well do you know your neighbor 3 doors down ? How well do you know the people you work with ?
But people make judgements about other's actions based not on firsthand evidence but rumor and inuenido . I just don't get it . If you don't know the man and EXACTLY what ,when & where let it go . Personally Its none of my bussiness ,I have enough trouble running my own life let alone trying to run someone else's

What rumor and innuendo are you referring to?

Everything posted is fact. Read the court reports. Read the appeals court judgment. How much first hand evidence do you need before you accept the fact that Patrick is a rapist?

I do not understand you people that are defending him. You can see the evidence for yourself at http://www.worldoftb.com/ . It is all posted with links to the legal stuff.

[craltal]

What rumor and innuendo are you referring to?

Everything posted is fact. Read the court reports. Read the appeals court judgment. How much first hand evidence do you need before you accept the fact that Patrick is a rapist?

I do not understand you people that are defending him. You can see the evidence for yourself at http://www.worldoftb.com/ . It is all posted with links to the legal stuff.

I've read the documents. I don't condone what he did, but I don't understand why you feel the need to completely vilify him for something from his past that our judicial system punished him for and is satisfied. That fact that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with MXS. Show me something that says he committed a crime since his incarceration. Show me something that says he violated his parole or probation. Show me something that says he ANYTHING criminal after his sentence was served and I'll stop. Nobody likes what he did, but our judicial system believes he paid his debt to society. If you don't like it, move somewhere else.

As I said before, I don't want to turn this into a political or civil rights discussion. I truly believe that the recent spread of these documents is a ploy by some unscrupulous people who are trying to muddy the waters around their own unrelated legal case.

[Ninjeff]

i dunno. Im all for NOT burning someone at the stake for past transgressions. I support second chances.

That being said, ive read the court document, and i have one word for you

"drum stick"


I cant believe he only served 8 years. And i think it DOES have an impact on the current court cases. I think this prior says a lot about a persons mental capacity.

[MANN]

Only God can judge, in God's eyes everyone is given many chances.

There should be no second chance as a free person to someone who did what he did (If he did it. Again he did plead guilty). What happens between him and God is his problem, and I believe we should help arrange the meeting.

Any buisness who would associate themself with this kind of person probally carries some of the same charastics as he does. Who would work with/better yet marry someone who did what he did?

[maniacmechanic]

What rumor and innuendo are you referring to?

Everything posted is fact. Read the court reports. Read the appeals court judgment. How much first hand evidence do you need before you accept the fact that Patrick is a rapist?

I do not understand you people that are defending him. You can see the evidence for yourself at http://www.worldoftb.com/ . It is all posted with links to the legal stuff.

this is my last post on this thread . I don't care about MXS or PATRICK I defended NO ONE .
Answer this how well do you know anyone , other than family & lifelong friends . Fact is most of us nowdays don't know our neighbors unless we still live in the house we grew up in . Threads like this about the sport that I love just show the negative of it . Time to get back to my own bussiness

[warpig13]

How many of you guys have talked to Pacman before. An honest conversation at a dinner battle during his events?


He did wrong stuff, he DID HIS TIME, and thats that. Sure it looks bad on his record, but there is nothing else to be done. Face it, we all make mistakes and when we do we all want a 2nd chance, he is a nce guy and until you really know all the facts, no one can pass judgement. According to popular belief, some crazy Israeli who roamed the desert said "He without sin may cast the first stone."


So cast away people, becasue someone else is going to cast one right to your nuts and you wont like it at all.

[warpig13]

We make multiple "judgments" each and every day. We decide to spend our money at the Shell station or the Valero station. We make a judgment on which movie gets our money and which one doesn't. We choose which store we shop at. We make those types of decisions each and every day.

You dont pick the Shell over Valero becuase a Indian man works there. That would be a "judgement" call. You would be passing the judgment that since he is from around the middle east, he is no good.

There is a fine difference between convience and ignorance.

[MANN]

How many of you guys have talked to Pacman before. An honest conversation at a dinner battle during his events?


He did wrong stuff, he DID HIS TIME, and thats that. Sure it looks bad on his record, but there is nothing else to be done. Face it, we all make mistakes and when we do we all want a 2nd chance, he is a nce guy and until you really know all the facts, no one can pass judgement. According to popular belief, some crazy Israeli who roamed the desert said "He without sin may cast the first stone."


So cast away people, becasue someone else is going to cast one right to your nuts and you wont like it at all.

Would you feel the same way if that was your daughter/wife/sister/mother? I highly doubt that you would blow it off as "he deserves a second chance" if it was. Just a thought.

[wetwrks]

I also disagree that he should not be allowed to work with MXS because children attend their scenario games. Since when is rape synonymous with pedophilia? While they are not mutually exclusive we should see things the way they are, not they way they could be.

There are a number of laws that I disagree with but that dosn't change or negate them. The sex offender registration doesn't typically pay attention to what kind of offense the person committed. It states that if an individual is registred as a sex offender they cannot live within 2500 feet of a school, park, preschool, etc. A lot of them also state that the individual cannot work in a job that would deal with minors. This includes as a teacher, at an ammusement park, and in some states even a job that would take the offender into someones home (such as a repair man).

[Ninjeff]

How many of you guys have talked to Pacman before. An honest conversation at a dinner battle during his events?


He did wrong stuff, he DID HIS TIME, and thats that. Sure it looks bad on his record, but there is nothing else to be done. Face it, we all make mistakes and when we do we all want a 2nd chance, he is a nce guy and until you really know all the facts, no one can pass judgement. According to popular belief, some crazy Israeli who roamed the desert said "He without sin may cast the first stone."


So cast away people, becasue someone else is going to cast one right to your nuts and you wont like it at all.

Oh im casting stones. Read the report i linked to earlier.
Im sorry, but the "he who hath not sinned...." argument gets thrown right out the window when someone starts doing things described in the case. Maybe it would be different if i had violated someone with a drumstick, but i havent, i wont, and i wouldnt dare associate with someone who would. Nor spend any money at their place of buisness.

[ShadowFire]

I decided long ago to not give Pacman any of my money. My first experience with him was in 2003 at the SPPLAT game at EMR. Nothing really stood out but he just seemed arrogant and acted like a jerk. First impression probably jaded me to him in the future.

Second time I saw him he was a player at a game. He got into a heated verbal argument with a player on the other team. He had other members of Blitzkrieg as well as the scenario director yelling at him to stop and he wouldn't. The other player walked off the field and Pat continued to yell and scream and cuss long after the guy couldn't even hear him.

Third time was again as a player. I was dead in the hospital, after he came running through shooting everyone in the hospital (which he did apologize for) he got into a firefight with live players. One guy shot him 3 times with a pump from his hip to his armpit. He was carrying special paint that would cause Pat to lose his roleplaying abilities. After he finally called himself out he found one ball that was not special and bullied the ref into letting him keep his abilities. So he either kept playing on after he was hit with the non-special paint or just saw an opportunity and threw his weight around.

NONE of that compares with what happened in 1985. You can say he paid his dues, young and dumb, etc. I was young once, I'm guessing most of you were too. I did some stupid stuff, you may or may not have. But it takes a really unique individual to be able to do what he did. For the sake of the forums I will not post details but if you are interested follow this link. linky

Now, after reading the details of what he did to that woman, and if you think you can handle it, close your eyes and allow the events to play out in your head. Even if only half of what happened is true, if your stomach doesn't turn then I feel sorry for you. I'm man enough to say that I cried when thinking about what could possibly be going through her mind.

Yes he did his time and was released (even with probation he served less than half his sentence). But does that really change who he is inside? He may not ever do it again for fear of more time in prison but only God can speak for his thoughts and wishes. I know (hearsay of course) that he has been physically violent with other people since then and sexually inappropriate with a few women but stopped short of his previous behavior. Again, I have not personally witnessed these acts so take that as you may, but in 2 of the instances it came directly from the other party involved.

In this situation I choose to vote with my wallet. I have never had a problem with Diane, but I refuse to support Pacman. Even though he is no longer a part of the company, which I don't believe for a second, he still benefits from the company as it is the sole income for that household.

[ShadowFire]

Down here its been know for awhile....man I loved MXS games with a passion.....I mis T. Rev!

T-Rev (Texas Revolution) is a Viper production.

MXS does the Texas Throwdown but that's only been around about 4 years I think.

[craltal]

Oh im casting stones. Read the report i linked to earlier.
Im sorry, but the "he who hath not sinned...." argument gets thrown right out the window when someone starts doing things described in the case. Maybe it would be different if i had violated someone with a drumstick, but i havent, i wont, and i wouldnt dare associate with someone who would. Nor spend any money at their place of buisness.

No, the argument is still valid. You're talking about selectively applying the law, which is a violation of civil rights. It's the same coin that requires a teacher who sleeps with her 17 year old student to register as a sex offender. There is no grey here. He did his time and as long as he follows the requirements the court placed on him there's nothing that can or should be done.

As long as you don't live within the restricted areas a serial rapist could move in right next door to you and you can't do anything legally about it.