Should i post anything about MXS?

[Mike Smith]

you say that the business practices of pacman are different or worse than other prodders, im sure there are some out there that do not do that but the others ones besides MXS i have dealt with do it blatantly where MXS at least seems to do it a little more low key.

I've played between 50 ands 70 scenario games. I've seen multiple promoters.
MXS is the only one I will not spend money to attend.

im not saying harassment is as bad as rape but ti is a step towards it.

And stealing your friend's pen is a step towards jacking cars...
Dude, wake up.

no i am not related to him but i have friends who have known him for years and that is how i was introduced to him. i have never gotten even a slight feeling of him being sketchy and i normally pick up on that. i have never seen him be rude to anyone (kinda *****y when people broke safety rules but thats it).

I've known him and played his games and played against him for years.
He intentionally shot my son when my son was a clearly marked ref.
That's his character, his ethics, his honor.

al the people on my team and friend teams are not going to stop playing MXS because frankly this isnt really our business and frankly i think this was done to hurt his business not to protect anyone.

-matt

Well, if playing an ethical, honorable game is not your "thing"... OK.
I suppose there are other people like you.
Enjoy.

[ShadowFire]

What I find hard to believe is that the people defending him keep saying that who ever sent out this information did so just to hurt his business. Do you REALLY think that someone knew about this and just sat on it waiting for the perfect time to release it to the world?

I refuse to resort to thinking "poor mistreated Pacman" and moaning because some person found certified court documents that prove it was him (his own Mother sent a letter to the court). Instead, I would like to extend my sincere thanks to whoever sent these documents for alerting us to a dangerous FELON that has access to many different people and travels all over the country in an RV. I understand why you felt you had to send it anonymously and I hope that the people here and on other boards that have resorted to "shooting the messenger" have not discouraged you or made you think you did anything wrong.

[SR_matt]

lawrence, when a friend is the XO for a game and has kept records through the game of the missions completed and turned in and knows exactly how many points have been gained and then spyro comes out with a totally different number that is way off, yes i know he changed numbers.

frankly i do not care what your son would or wouldnt do, you do not know me, you do not know how i work or what i do. so just because im the same age as your son means pretty much jack.

how do i dislike a person i supposedly do not know? well when i see my mentor (who will never attack some one unless he sees some one he cares about threatened) almost get in a physical altercation with some one because of the way they have treated him and his players. the way the man comes across to me, and the quality of the product he puts out is how i dislike him.

the field i worked at, no it was to small, the lady started the rumors for nothing more than financial gain of her own because her field wad going down at the time.


mike you are out of line saying i play a dishonest and unethical game, sir i pride my self on playing always by the rules and pride my team on that




i am not thinking "poor mister pacman" i am just choosing to put this event aside and let my experiences with pacman be the deciding factor of what i think of him.


-matt

[ShadowFire]

mike you are out of line saying i play a dishonest and unethical game, sir i pride my self on playing always by the rules and pride my team on that

I don't believe he was referring to you or your team. You said you would keep playing MXS games and then Mike made his reply. Seems like he was saying MXS games aren't honest or ethical. Mike, if I'm putting words in your mouth feel free to correct me.

i am not thinking "poor mister pacman" i am just choosing to put this event aside and let my experiences with pacman be the deciding factor of what i think of him.

You must not have had enough experiences with him.

Granted, none of my experiences have been with him as a promoter. They have all been as a player and they are some of the worst examples of honor and sportsmanship I have ever seen. See my previous post for specific examples but I have seen him throw fits on and off the field, screaming and cussing at his own teammates and other players, cheating etc. You keep defending him, I have obviously seen more with my own eyes than the people you listen to have.

[Mike Smith]

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mike you are out of line saying i play a dishonest and unethical game, sir i pride my self on playing always by the rules and pride my team on that
-matt

No I'm not.

I know Patrick to be a dishonest, unethical person. You are defending him.
It was a simple 2+2 assumption.

If you defend people such as Pacman, expect to be put into the same category.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Well Matt,

Your posts show me all I need to know. Have fun at the MXS game, and jsut make sure you drop any soap around Packman, he might have a flashback.

[craltal]

Well Matt,

Your posts show me all I need to know. Have fun at the MXS game, and jsut make sure you drop any soap around Packman, he might have a flashback.

I've tried so hard not to let the level of idiocy get to me, but the exchange I read from today was the last straw. Everyone has the right to their opinions, but personal attacks becasue soemone has a differing opinion than you do was the last straw. Nobody has the right to insult another for their opinion. If someone has formed an informed opinion, ie, actually had personal interaction then their opinion is valid even though it may be different than yours. The circumstances they witnessed may be completely different than yours, but doesn't make them any less valid.

You know, Lawrence TB Wright, your "I know more than you do" attitude is really geting old. While you're entitled to your opinion you really need to stop trying to shove it down our throats. I don't know anyone of you personally, but if you ask me Matt is acting considerably more mature than you are.

You jump to conclusions and insult others who don't share your opinion. Sounds like the "bullying" you accuse Pacman of. Calling someone you don't know dishonest and unethical because he holds a different opinion than you is moronic.

You claim there are "no less then 5 women he has mis-treated in some way (2 of which he drove out of the sport, another who cost him a field and 2 others who will remain nameless), mis-treated = sexual assault" yet where is the proof? Are there signed witness statements or affidavits saying these alleged incidents happened? Going around stating things like this could be construed as libel in case you don't know.

And as for you, Mike Smith, nobody is defending what Pacman did 22 years ago. Whether or not 8 years was enough of a sentence for the crime is a moot point since he did what the judicial system required of him. Just because I point out to you that you're being narrow minded doesn't mean I'm dishonest and unethical. In fact I'd say it shows that I can view a situation and evaluate it unemotionally. I'm not spouting nonsense like "stealing a pen is the gateway to jacking a car." I actually form my own opinions about others from evidence I gather myself. I don't insult you for holding the opinion that you have even though I do not agree with it.

An lastly, Matt, I hope to meet you at a game someday. I'd be honored to play along someone who not only strives to be self-sufficient in terms of his play but seems to be smart enough to form his own opinions and have the heart to express it and defend it.

[Mike Smith]

And as for you, Mike Smith, nobody is defending what Pacman did 22 years ago. Whether or not 8 years was enough of a sentence for the crime is a moot point since he did what the judicial system required of him. Just because I point out to you that you're being narrow minded doesn't mean I'm dishonest and unethical. In fact I'd say it shows that I can view a situation and evaluate it unemotionally. I'm not spouting nonsense like "stealing a pen is the gateway to jacking a car." I actually form my own opinions about others from evidence I gather myself. I don't insult you for holding the opinion that you have even though I do not agree with it.

I have read several posts that seem to be defending or excusing pacman's rape conviction.

I know Pacman to be an unethical, dishonest person by direct observation and by eyewitness accounts from people I personally know. As you mature, you will learn that "like defends like", and it would be a fair assumption that someone defending a dishonest and unethical person is probably dishonest and unethical, either now or in the past. The fact that he raped and sodomized a woman "seals the deal" on pacman.


And my stealing a pen analogy was in direct response to Matt's asinine sexual harassment analogy.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

I've tried so hard not to let the level of idiocy get to me, but the exchange I read from today was the last straw. Everyone has the right to their opinions, but personal attacks becasue soemone has a differing opinion than you do was the last straw. Nobody has the right to insult another for their opinion. If someone has formed an informed opinion, ie, actually had personal interaction then their opinion is valid even though it may be different than yours. The circumstances they witnessed may be completely different than yours, but doesn't make them any less valid.

Sure thing, everyone has a right to their opinion. And if they make and educated opinion knowing all the facts then whether I agree with it or not, I will support thier right to do so. However for people such as your self and Matt to get on here and try to shoot holes in something you know nothing about, someone you have never been with on a personal level, and more is what brought about me even posting here. I will not sit by as you try to convince others that there is no need to read more, no need to gather the information and that they should just take your viewpoint and ignore this because of the way it was sent or how long ago it was.

You know, Lawrence TB Wright, your "I know more than you do" attitude is really geting old. While you're entitled to your opinion you really need to stop trying to shove it down our throats. I don't know anyone of you personally, but if you ask me Matt is acting considerably more mature than you are.

I am sure that you do, but then again you also think Pacman is an ok guy who should still be in this sport and people still giving him money. So pardon me, if your opinion of me really doesn't concern me or make me lose less sleep at night. For the first like 20 posts I didn't even comment, it was only after you and Matt and others started trying to twist the facts that I felt the need to provide the other side just as hard as you did, you don't like me being so harsh for one side, then maybe you should look at how harsh some of you have been on the other. As a matter of fact, I haven't shoved anything down your throat, that would be what Pacman did.

You jump to conclusions and insult others who don't share your opinion. Sounds like the "bullying" you accuse Pacman of. Calling someone you don't know dishonest and unethical because he holds a different opinion than you is moronic.

What conclusions did I jump to? Because I asked questions about him? Because I made assumptions based on his age and lack of experience? Once again, asking questions to quantify the value of someone's opinion is the hallmark of someone who is trying to make an educated decision. I mean just because Micheal Moorse says the US governement flew planes into the WTC, doesn't mean I have to believe that. Sorr, I look at who says what and why they say it, and I am for from moronic. Where did I insult him? You took insult because you are wanting to defend something or someone you believe it, I think that most would agree as verbose as I can be, I have no problem in being able to insult someone, if I so chose. Besides who did I call dishonest and unethical? Matt called Spiro Mamaligas, a well known game producer who has done nothing like this that, sure you aren't confusing posts?

You claim there are "no less then 5 women he has mis-treated in some way (2 of which he drove out of the sport, another who cost him a field and 2 others who will remain nameless), mis-treated = sexual assault" yet where is the proof? Are there signed witness statements or affidavits saying these alleged incidents happened? Going around stating things like this could be construed as libel in case you don't know.

I love internet lawyers who through terms around that they do not know anything about. There are certain things that make it not libel, Truth and Privalege. I simply chose not to release the women who have been assaulted, that does not mean that I do not know their names and if 'sued' then I would be forced to give them as my sources to prove 'Truth' which cannot be used for libel since the standard is Truth. I am not making heresay, everyone of these wome made these statements to me, or I was there when they told Diane, or I was there when it happened. So yes I am quite sure I know what libel and slander are, and this is a fine line that I walk, however I thank you for your concern but let's worry about you and not me, k?

And as for you, Mike Smith, nobody is defending what Pacman did 22 years ago. Whether or not 8 years was enough of a sentence for the crime is a moot point since he did what the judicial system required of him. Just because I point out to you that you're being narrow minded doesn't mean I'm dishonest and unethical. In fact I'd say it shows that I can view a situation and evaluate it unemotionally. I'm not spouting nonsense like "stealing a pen is the gateway to jacking a car." I actually form my own opinions about others from evidence I gather myself. I don't insult you for holding the opinion that you have even though I do not agree with it.

So what is this 'evidence' that you have gathered that has made you form your, it's ok for Pacman to be here and all you need to shut up and leave him alone? Please share, maybe you can convince the rest of us that you are right.

An lastly, Matt, I hope to meet you at a game someday. I'd be honored to play along someone who not only strives to be self-sufficient in terms of his play but seems to be smart enough to form his own opinions and have the heart to express it and defend it.

His own opinions? I think I proved that where Black Cat is concerned he hasn't formed his own opinions, he took the word of his good friends who was the XO. And then I go back and read his posts and you think that? No, he agrees with your side and that is why you are so admiring of him. But hey, you guys get together and go play an MXS game. I am sure that there are some fields out there who care nothing but the fact that he hasn't hurt them personally and that they want to make money. Regardless of how their customers feel, and that is what is wrong with this sport today, it is a reflection of the consumers.

[phizz]

I see. So basically someone is trying to smear a person's reputation (along with the company he is associated with) by bringing light on his criminal past.

So what if he did what he did. His crime was not business orientated which would be the only concern to do or not do business with him. He served his time and thats that. The legal system has had over 1000 years (yes 1K dating back to the Roman empire) to perfect not only punishments, but preventative measures. He has been punished and no doubt served probationary time and sanctions and treatment to prevent him reoffending.

I would be weary when meeting him, but he has paid for his crimes and as long as he has not continued to be a criminal he deserves a second chance. Besides there is the fact that refusing to do business with this company just because of HIS past hurts many innocents such as his wife.

I agree.

[SR_matt]

ok so by being at games by black cat, seeing the amount the teams are completing of missions and then seeing the numbers not matching up closely to what ive seen personally, the records my XO friend had kept, or what any other players saw i couldn't possibly have any reason to say that he changed scores. thats real logical. hmm so when i see black cat pull another friend really close and say "i thought u weren't coming back" in a very nasty tone and then be really loud when he says "o it was great seeing you again" ya he couldn't possibly be two-faced at all.

just because i have not worked/traveled/ lived with some one doesnt mean i can't form a reasonable opinion of them, lawrence you just refuse to let anyone have an opinion of some one that is different than yours, its simple as that.

-matt

[Dark Side]

I have read several posts that seem to be defending or excusing pacman's rape conviction.

I know Pacman to be an unethical, dishonest person by direct observation and by eyewitness accounts from people I personally know. As you mature, you will learn that "like defends like", and it would be a fair assumption that someone defending a dishonest and unethical person is probably dishonest and unethical, either now or in the past. The fact that he raped and sodomized a woman "seals the deal" on pacman.


And my stealing a pen analogy was in direct response to Matt's asinine sexual harassment analogy.

I am neither defending nor condoning Pacman's actions!

Mike, TB, have you ever made a mistake? Did you do what was required of you by whomever to make up for it?

Your assumption is assinine in the first place. You are going off on others for defending Pacman because they have seen a different side than you have and you practically call them a criminal.

Like defends like when there is some benefit to be gained. Especailly if that like is criminal in intent.

I'm going to make a bet here. I will put money down that at least 85% of men and women over the age of 18 have sodomized or have had some form of sodomy performed to them. Look it up to see exactly what it is defined as.

TB, Before this, I thought you were a pretty stand up guy. Now by your own admission, you have told us that you were part of the bad business in MXS. You are saying no one should trust MXS because of the way they conduct business. You are just putting your self into that same circle. And lastly TB, if you have information about 4 other women being sexually mistreated, it is YOUR legal obligation to do something about it. Doing nothing is condoning the behavior that Pacman has supposedly exhibited.


Lastly, Matt I hope I get to meet you as well. You sound like a mature 17 year old.

[Mike Smith]

I am neither defending nor condoning Pacman's actions!

Based on your post, I don't believe you.

[Dark Side]

Based on your post, I don't believe you.

I suppose I am a criminal then because "we" are the only ones that would defend such a man.


Way to go Captain America.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

I am neither defending nor condoning Pacman's actions!
Mike, TB, have you ever made a mistake? Did you do what was required of you by whomever to make up for it?

Sure I have, but some mistakes you never get to shake. You realize that as a violent convicted felon, he cannot get a job in the banking industry, the real estate industry, he cannot be bonded so there goes construction and janitorial, he could not even get a job as a clown at a company that rented clowns to kid's birthday parties. He can't own a gun, yet he carries and uses a handgun registered to Diane. I didn't make those rules society did, and I didn't commit the crime, Pacman did.

TB, Before this, I thought you were a pretty stand up guy. Now by your own admission, you have told us that you were part of the bad business in MXS. You are saying no one should trust MXS because of the way they conduct business. You are just putting your self into that same circle. And lastly TB, if you have information about 4 other women being sexually mistreated, it is YOUR legal obligation to do something about it. Doing nothing is condoning the behavior that Pacman has supposedly exhibited.

I have never hid the fact that I was in the 'inner circle' of MXS. I still think I am being a stnad up guy, I am trying to atone for my mistakes with MXS by not letting people be taken as I was. And if no one wants to conduct business with me because of my association with MXS from the past, then they have that right.

As far as legal obligation to force a sexual assault victim into the light? No, I am sorry that isn't a legal obligation, maybe a moral one, however the statements of people in this forum as others has led to some of the victims (who have read these statements) to say that they will never come forth because they do not want to be the subject of being called a liar and that THEY are ruining the reputation of a 'good' man, and you people wonder why I am angry about that? And BTW it was 5 women, and there are some others who have told me stories that they blew off sd harmless nothing till this came out, but you guys keep beating the bushes looking for something to try and prove that Pacman isn't a bad guy and deserving to stay in this sport. Even he didn't feel that as he turned tail and hid, just like he always does. They've circled the wagons hoping that this will all go away, you may be content to do that, however I am not.