Should i post anything about MXS?

[Lawrence TB Wright]

I suppose I am a criminal then because "we" are the only ones that would defend such a man.


Way to go Captain America.

No not a criminal, just misguided and misinformed. Still waiting on you to defend him going after a promoter for 'fixing' a game and comparing him to a convicted rapist?

NO?

Do I need to tell you the stories of MXS game fixing? Would you believe it? Probably not, yet your incredulity that I do not reciprocate is funny.

[ShadowFire]

I'm going to make a bet here. I will put money down that at least 85% of men and women over the age of 18 have sodomized or have had some form of sodomy performed to them. Look it up to see exactly what it is defined as.

You are probably right. Luckily, here in Texas it is not illegal unless it is engaged between same-sex partners (but that's an entirely different discussion).

The charge wasn't sodomy, it was FORCIBLE sodomy, read the files, he used intimidation and physical torture to force her to do the deed. Big difference.

[craltal]

Mike, age does not equate to maturity. Your "like defends like" argument sounds like a cop out to me personally. A mature individual doesn't jump to conclusions. (I am not questioning your opinions regarding Pacman, as you say you have first hand experience regarding his attitude towards other players.)

Lawrence, where to begin...

What facts did I twist? Nothing I said was contrary to the facts presented. Reread my posts before you start to say things like that. In fact you are guilty of jumping to conclusions with limited relevant information and then trying to ram your ideas down the throats of others who either don't share your opinion or don't trust your "information" due to the means you present it. My posts in this thread have been trying to point out that we are talking about two mutually exclusive things when we discuss the rape conviction and MXS's business dealings.

You do walk a very fine line with your "alleged" sexual assaults. You claim "Privilege" yet feel free to discuss it openly. By discussing it, you risk violating the privilege and open yourself and them up to legal action. Period, end of story.

You say you have had personal dealings with Pacman and that in those dealings, you were less than pleased with his behavior. I don't argue your opinion of him based on that, but it doesn't mean that someone else who didn't experience any of the bad things that you are claiming can't have a good or indifferent opinion about the guy. My opinion has always been indifferent in terms of Pacman. I have never met him, nor had any dealings with him or MXS. The only point I have ever tried to make in regards to the situation is that the rape charge is irrelevant to the operations of MXS.

Your vehement arguments do nothing to help your case in my mind. By resorting to personal insults it only makes me question your judgment. While Matt and I appear to hold similar opinions, I don't defend him because of that. I defend him because, despite his age, is acting more mature. His opinions are based upon his experiences, the same basis you have for yours. The fact that his experiences are on the opposite end of the spectrum from yours doesn't make either his or yours right or wrong, yet you feel the need to dismiss them because either they are not the same as yours, or because he is 17. I personally don't care which it is, but both are invalid.

I have no quarrel with either of you. It sounds like both of you try to live good lives. I don't question either of your morals or honesty, but don't think that it is fair for you to question mine just because I hold a different set of ideas. This country was founded on the idea that people with different ideas are free to express them.

[Dark Side]

No not a criminal, just misguided and misinformed. Still waiting on you to defend him going after a promoter for 'fixing' a game and comparing him to a convicted rapist?

NO?

Do I need to tell you the stories of MXS game fixing? Would you believe it? Probably not, yet your incredulity that I do not reciprocate is funny.

How stupid are you? You might read beyond the first line but you do not stop to think.

I said in really big letters so the people with a first grade education would pick up on it. I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM YOU MORON.


I don't care about the stories. I don't care about anything even remotely related to YOUR past dealings with him. Stop putting me in the same circle as you and MXS because I don't buy into your rant of being holier than thou to atone for your past.



Shadowfire, it was a point brought on by the misnaming of the charges by someone else. But go ahead and belive that I am defending Pacman if you want. It seems perception is truth around here.

[ShadowFire]

The only point I have ever tried to make in regards to the situation is that the rape charge is irrelevant to the operations of MXS.

Does the fact that he is a convicted felon change the way he runs his games? Probably not. His past has absolutely no bearing on his ability to produce a scenario game.

His past does speak volumes to his character. With the past experiences I have had (first hand) with Pacman, the revelation of his being a rapist is just the icing on the cake. Although there's WAY more icing than cake now.

Shadowfire, it was a point brought on by the misnaming of the charges by someone else.

So instead of correcting the initial person that made a mistake you chose to further propogate that mistake and try to misdirect people reading your post?

[Dark Side]

Sure I have, but some mistakes you never get to shake. You realize that as a violent convicted felon, he cannot get a job in the banking industry, the real estate industry, he cannot be bonded so there goes construction and janitorial, he could not even get a job as a clown at a company that rented clowns to kid's birthday parties. He can't own a gun, yet he carries and uses a handgun registered to Diane. I didn't make those rules society did, and I didn't commit the crime, Pacman did.

I believe the law also states that a gun cannot be in your posession either. And yes unlees you are Congress or a Sepreme Court Justice as a side job, I doubt you would have anything to do with laws. Thanks.

I believe there is a law as well that states if you have information of a crime and do not report it, you become an accomplice to that crime. So since you have intimate knowledge of the crmes he continues to commit....

[Dark Side]

So instead of correcting the initial person that made a mistake you chose to further propogate that mistake and try to misdirect people reading your post?

Yes. That's what we criminal types do. Didn't you read the like defends like section.

[craltal]

Does the fact that he is a convicted felon change the way he runs his games? Probably not. His past has absolutely no bearing on his ability to produce a scenario game.

thank you for supporting my point. That's the only thing I've been trying to say

[Lawrence TB Wright]

Whatever guys, the statements are out there, I am not going to get on here and defend them to you point by point, the people who read this see both sides.

You accuse me of being holier then thou and a bully(oh wait, and a criminal, a moron and a idiot) and then you get mad when I point the crayon back at you.

Works for me!

Say something else of substance instead of the same ole tripe that you have posted since this thing started.

[ShadowFire]

thank you for supporting my point. That's the only thing I've been trying to say

I won't dispute your point at all, but it's a sad state of affairs when that's as far as you look.

If OJ had been convicted in the criminal case (not civil) would you have gone to his football games?

If Michael Jackson molested those kids would you still buy his albums (assuming you did in the 1st place) or go to a concert?

In other words would you continue to support these people after they committed some of the worst crimes imaginable?

Same situation here. Patrick McKinnon used violence to force a woman to do things against her will. This was verified by doctors and tried by a jury of his peers. You haven't denied the fact that he did these things, neither has Pacman by the way. You just say it doesn't matter that he did them and you will keep giving him money.

I choose not to support a man (if you can call him such) that has the ability to do those types of things to another human being. There is something seriously wrong there.

[Dark Side]

Whatever guys, the statements are out there, I am not going to get on here and defend them to you point by point, the people who read this see both sides.

You accuse me of being holier then thou and a bully(oh wait, and a criminal, a moron and a idiot) and then you get mad when I point the crayon back at you.

Works for me!

Say something else of substance instead of the same ole tripe that you have posted since this thing started.

I've been posting for 2 hours or so. This started way before then.

I accused you of being Holier than thou, a moron, and an accomplice. You read into being an idiot and a bully. Since you know the guy so well and you know the crap that he pulls, do something legitimate about it.

He served a sentence for 1 crime. You know of multiple more that he walks free for. Getting on AO to tell people that he is a bad man and don't go to MXS's events does nothing. You don't want to go to the police for the women that have been mistreated; fine. Convince them to go as one group to get the slimeball back in jail. Didn't I read somewhere that he was paroled? Isn't it a violation of that parole to break the law? Doesn't that violation get you back in jail? How is this difficult to understand?

[craltal]

Whatever guys, the statements are out there, I am not going to get on here and defend them to you point by point, the people who read this see both sides.

You accuse me of being holier then thou and a bully(oh wait, and a criminal, a moron and a idiot) and then you get mad when I point the crayon back at you.

Works for me!

Say something else of substance instead of the same ole tripe that you have posted since this thing started.

Well excuse me for sticking by an idea.

[craltal]

I've been posting for 2 hours or so. This started way before then.

I accused you of being Holier than thou, a moron, and an accomplice. You read into being an idiot and a bully. Since you know the guy so well and you know the crap that he pulls, do something legitimate about it.

He served a sentence for 1 crime. You know of multiple more that he walks free for. Getting on AO to tell people that he is a bad man and don't go to MXS's events does nothing. You don't want to go to the police for the women that have been mistreated; fine. Convince them to go as one group to get the slimeball back in jail. Didn't I read somewhere that he was paroled? Isn't it a violation of that parole to break the law? Doesn't that violation get you back in jail? How is this difficult to understand?

I think he's referring to me calling him a bully for his treatment or SR Matt

[Dark Side]

ah.

[Lawrence TB Wright]

You know, LOL, I don't answer to any of you and you believe what you want. Since none of your choices really affect me since you don't play the games or promoters I do (everyone but MXS) and that works for me.

You guys stay there and I will stay where I am.

And Darkside, love how you came out to attack Viper in the MOUT thread. Awesome play Will!!!