Discussion of Free Ideas on Ao

[Devil]

...but in the kitchen I make pies...

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well..i don't like Pie, I know that's sacriledge here on AO, but i'm a cheesecake kind of person..

[Army]

How about you start your own website, then I will come on and begin berating other members, and telling you what your policies should be. As soon as you tell me to hush, then I will cry "1st amendment, 1st amendment", to which you will reply, "Hey dude, this is a private forum, you don't have 100% freedom of speech here". Then I will bad mouth you in other forums and sites. Any of this sound familiar? Because that's what happens to US all the time.

The thread was a "welcome to" thread, any right thinking boob should have figured out that hellos and welcomes were what are asked for. Should a normal boob decide to post his personal negative feelings, and then tell us what AGD is supposed to stand for, will get edited if not deleted. That is what PM's, Email, or even a new thread is all about.

Yes we have hard rules here, and for the most part members follow them (see edit in the first post). On occasion we must edit a post when a new person, or even an older member, slips and types in some "street" language. We are not mean about it, we clean up the post, then warn the member about his/her transgression. However, one of the "unwritten" rules that we enforce, is the rule of good taste, also known as civility. What that thread was degenerating into, was in poor taste outside the limits of being civil. If you have noticed, it wasn't just myself that tried to keep the thread pleasant, but Tom himself was sorely disappointed in the member's actions, and HE deleted the remaining posts.

So, OK, berate me for perhaps being protective of MY thread and a celebrity I wanted the membership to say hello to. Remember though, the original poster can delete the total thread anytime he/she wants to, by deleting the first post. I was being fair and only ridding the offensive ones. So, if you have a problem with AO not being "open" and us Mods being censor happy, that's OK too. But we have our opinions too, and expect those to be honored the same as we will honor yours.....as long as you stay within the rules. Dave

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well...I've talked with CPhil about this situation so I don't feel like stating my case again so if you want you can speak to him about it and that's all I'm going to say.

[mrhooie]

well said Army

[DiRTyBuNNy]

If you edit one more of my posts that does not contain anything offensive to anyone I am going to report you Army.

You can speak to me personally about the issue in PM but if you feel like you need to throw mud at me out in the open under the guise of being a Mod than I think you need to be released from the duties of your job because you're showing yourself as being unfit for it at this point in time.
I have already spoken with Cphillip concerning this issue. You do not seem to not know the real issue of what's going on and I would respect that until you can show that you do not have a complete ignorance of the situation that you would step away and learn something this time. It may have been your thread, but you are taking it personally and that is not your job, to attack people because they have differing opinions than yours. A lot of people on this board are sick and tired of the attitudes by the mods on this board and utter incompetence by others not to notice that some of you need to relieved of your duties because you've had enough. Just like a soldier that has done one too many tours of duty, some of your compadres need to take a break and realize that this is not a personal thing and if you keep treating it as such you are going to destroy the sanctity of something that some of hold very dear.
I want to justify to me why you edited my first post...the word was a term that sounds like bull excrement"
with the 4 (four) asterisks in it typed by myself. I made no intention of writing the real word and those that know what the asterisks mean don't need me to explain to them what I was trying to say. You complain that you have to edit a million posts every day. Well then I'm going to report you for every edit you don't make if you want to go around acting like you're the word police. You're not the reason that his place does not look/sound like PBNation. It's the opinions of the rest of us that keep the site the way it is. When you and the rest of your kind realize what is really policing this site then maybe you might calm down and realize you're not needed here as much as you make yourself think. I think Sam does a better job policing people than you do and that's my opinion. If you don't like it, tough. Do a better job and make me eat my words.

[bornl33t]

Re: almost..but not quite

Originally posted by Tunaman
First of all, when someone calls for a "Welcome to AO", they are expected to get it. And they are entitled to be welcomed, just as if it were you or me. Start your own thread biotchin if thats what you want to do. Dont ruin some elses moment of glory. My motto has always been "the more the merrier", so WELCOME BEA!...and I cant wait to meet you!

no offence, but isn't this circumventing the cussfilter??

and second, dirtybunny.. .just drop it man... they OWN this site, if you don't like it leave, but you are never going to prove yourself right... besides isn't the internet kind of a childish place to argue? I mean, it's one thing if someone threatens to beat you into the ground. You can save some moeny and go visit that person, but for THIS??? It's not worth it man...have some COOL-AID and just know that you are right or look at it and see if maybe you were outta line? But it's just giving everyone a bad attitude.

Equal moderation for all? will never happen. Just like cops let cops off the hook.

[Tron]

I didn't get a welcome thread and I paid for an AGD product. I guess I have to be famous or have a nice rack.

-Tron

[shartley]

[RamboPreacher]

As a forum owner and moderator of several forums, myself (though nothing of this size), I am going to have to disagree with the original posting.

Group oriented forums do NOT have to have or allow "free speech". It is my opinino that they don't even have to post these guidelines, though it would be nice. (unless there was some renumeration or charge to use the forum).

I signed up and registered here for free. Did everyone get to come here for free?! I think so. If a person doesn't like the way they feel they are being treated by the owners/mods, then they should take it privately to them in PM and emails. if that is still not satisfactory - then go somewhere else. There are lots of other paintball oriented, non-fee based forums out there.

Again, since I am a forum owner specifically and on some forums I moderate (all free, no charge), I can and will delete and edit posts that I don't agree with, if I want to! (always leaving behind an "RPEdit" remark).

For example I run a forum for a local paintball field. When a poster gets on there and rags on teh field, I probably won't do anything if "I feel" that it is constructive critisism. If "I feel" that ti is beligerent and name-calling for no purpose, then it goes away or gets edited.

GO ahead and express your rights to free-speech, I am all for it! However I do not think that a Internet based, Priveatly owned, free, and topical forum should "have" to allow it.

just my couple of mites.

[Restola]

Originally posted by shartley

Now you have to follow the rules, and support everything AGD tries or says (or in the Bea case, everything their Mods try or say).

Forum FAQ + Rules

For the sake of space I removed the rules that clearly have nothing to do with our discussion. Which one of these rules was actually broken on the Bea thread? Some of them are broken nearly every day ("No hitting on other members",
"Do not try to circumvent the cuss filter") and are allowed to continue for unknown reasons (actually the reason is obvious to some of us, $), or are only enforced against some members (as evident on this very thread).

If you would simply amend the rules to say "Opinions contrary to those supported by AirGun Designs may be removed or edited", I would be happy. You would then be enforcing rules that actually exist. In fact, add an anti-hijacking clause while you are at it and that would cover everything thats been happening recently.

[Restola]

Re: Re: almost..but not quite

Originally posted by Heat
no offence, but isn't this circumventing the cussfilter??

DiRTyBuNNy isn't supporting AGD, Tunaman was.


AGD is being forced to make a decision. Do they want AO to be a thirving online community with legitimate exchange of ideas and opinions, or do they want AO to be a huge advertisment offering nothing but 24/7 pro-AGD information.

Its doesn't have to be one or the other. But what has happened recently is certainly pushing the forum in one direction.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I really don't know what else to comment on this issue because it has become pretty apparent that someone has let this issue become personal and I am not this person. If you want to complain about how hard it is to do your job, give it up and let someone else do it, because i've had it up to here "" with certain mods on this site moaning about how their job is so hard and they don't get paid to do it. No one forced you into this job, if you don't like it....walk away. Ok, so I was "circumventing the cuss filter" but I'm going to hold you with deriliction of duties because I found over 50 instances such as mine that were not edited by yourself or any other mod. So there, you wanna get in a battle of wits, then you better start doing your research.

[Restola]

There isn't anything left to comment on.

We've stated our opinions, to which at least one member of the AO staff has replied 'I can enforce any "unwritten" rule I want, especially if its in a thread I started'.

I wish I could do that. We would have a whole pro-Browns thread, and I would make it a "Classic" so everyone would see it regardless of how important it is to other members. If anyone said they liked the Steelers, heck if anyone said ANYTHING that didn't parallel my thoughts, I would edit or remove their post and threaten to ban them for hijacking my thread.

What a wonderful place AO would become...

[Muzikman]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
Ok, so I was "circumventing the cuss filter" but I'm going to hold you with deriliction of duties because I found over 50 instances such as mine that were not edited by yourself or any other mod. So there, you wanna get in a battle of wits, then you better start doing your research.

Well, my guess is that it was over looked, easy to do when there are thousands of posts a day. That's why there is the link to "Report this post to a moderator". If you see something that is breaking a rule (IE. circumventing the cuss filter), do your friendly moderator a favor and click that link, don't go *Female doging* that they missed it.

On a side note, it seems that some members do not enjoy it here, please, do us a favor move on. And if you come back and make a comment such as "He's just brown nosing AGD" think again, yes I like Tom, yes I think AGD makes good products, but I have many times, and even to Tom himself, expressed dis-like for things they have done.

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BTW, Browns suck...GO STEELERS!!!!! :)