Discussion of Free Ideas on Ao

[shartley]

Originally posted by Muzikman
On a side note, it seems that some members do not enjoy it here, please, do us a favor move on. And if you come back and make a comment such as "He's just brown nosing AGD" think again, yes I like Tom, yes I think AGD makes good products, but I have many times, and even to Tom himself, expressed dis-like for things they have done.

[845]

So you would welcome say Jeremy Salm to AO because he asked for it...?

[Restola]

Originally posted by shartley

I would also, for the sake of conversation, like to know how those who have a dislike for one aspect or another and them leaving, would be doing "us" a favor.

Unfortunatly that is probably already happening. If there were a way to do an honest poll, I would bet that the age of the average AO'er has dropped 5-10 years since I joined. Thats not to say that younger members can't be engaged in legitimate discussion, but that it is more abundent the older and more experienced the member base becomes.

I'm getting off topic here. The point I am making though is that I believe members have already been turned off by AO, and the indirect effect of mature, independent thinkers leaving is going to be a drop in quality of the entire forum.

"Cheerleading" is going to be a lot easier the younger the audience becomes, but what is really gained by that? (money?)

[bornl33t]

hey, I saw this comming once upon a time. I think the mods will remember the thread. it doesn't exist anymore, I can't remember if I deleted it or if it was deleted... but somehow there was a question of un-legit editing going on and I made a statement ...

".. heck I'm sure I could find dirt on all the mods..."

well, I received some pm's for that one. One of them indicating physical violence. I didn't mean to step on anyones toes, it was purly to make a point. I HAD nothing against the mods, but man I got a reaction. Which proves my point. You are ALL guilty of breaking a rule. I don't know a member here that has more then 1000 post that hasn't.

I warned you guys. We are either equal or not. She sence I got when AGD took over was that we indeed were equal "members". But history proves this wrong and it's clear we are not. I've taken a back seat to all this cause I've realized, I'm just a peon on the AO board. And quite frankly I'm glad I don't have the moderators job. I wouldn't want to deal with all the crap that goes on here. But no one is inocent, and makeing sarcatic posts about the issues at hand or provocating each other with silly threads is just really imature. Admit it, and get on with it.
AND THIS IS NOT INTENDED FOR THE MODS OR THE MEMBERS, it's for everyone. And this is the last I'm going to say about it. Now go and play with your dogs or something and quit wasting server space... MUAUAHAAHAHAHAHAH

[shartley]

[ChucktheMAGician]

Holy cow! I thought I wasted alot of time here but the amount you guys type is astounding. Do any of you have the thing where you just talk and it types it out? I just wanted to say that I joined the forum to learn more about paintball and have fun! :) Did the smilies do a good job of helping emphasize the lightheartedness of my comments?

[shartley]

Originally posted by ChucktheMAGician
Holy cow! I thought I wasted alot of time here but the amount you guys type is astounding. Do any of you have the thing where you just talk and it types it out? I just wanted to say that I joined the forum to learn more about paintball and have fun! :) Did the smilies do a good job of helping emphasize the lightheartedness of my comments?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Heat
hey, I saw this comming once upon a time. I think the mods will remember the thread. it doesn't exist anymore, I can't remember if I deleted it or if it was deleted... but somehow there was a question of un-legit editing going on and I made a statement ...

".. heck I'm sure I could find dirt on all the mods..."

OH NO THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID! You said you HAD dirt on all the Mods. And I took great offense to that and still do. And that thread still existed last time I looked. Your clever reconstruction will not fly with me though. You said you HAD it. I have no idea what you mean by Dirt but knowing me I knew it was a lie. It still is a lie. And so of course, I got offended by that and in one statement I threatened to squash you like a bug. In my case it was meaning that I was considering banning you for unfounded slandering me as a member. You chose to interpret it differently so you could justify feeling hurt and further your crusade. Twisting words around seems to be your strong suit. I told you then and several times since to "put up or shut up". You have done nether. I let it go after a while. YOU keep reminding me. It's still a unfounded untrue accusation and therefore a flame you have so far gotten away with. I am still deeply offended by your wild accusations. Your hate is deep seated and unfounded and it troubles me. But now to see you rewrite it into a totally different meaning just floors me. I cannot let that go unchallenged. You just destroyed your remaining credibility with me thats for sure.

You Sir seem to hold grudges. You need to rethink your position and why you feel the need to hate. Life is too short for this kind of thing. I forgive you for it. Move on and let it be. You were wrong and still are. And for my part perhaps I should be a bit more thick skinned. But sorry my integrety is long built and I value it.

[Restola]

I am waiting for a response to the topic as a whole. We have kept this very civil and I think we deserve some reply. Even if a mod can punch a whole in Heat's story that doesn't in any way effect the problems that some feel still exist.

[manike]

Originally posted by Restola
the problems that some feel still exist.

You can't please all of the people all of the time.

The only person that really needs to be happy with what goes on here is Tom.

Others have a freedom of choice. Like it or lump it

manike

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Restola
I am waiting for a response to the topic as a whole. We have kept this very civil and I think we deserve some reply. Even if a mod can punch a whole in Heat's story that doesn't in any way effect the problems that some feel still exist.

Exactly! and that was the point I was trying to make with my response. That situation had nothing to do with this one. But it wasn't me who tried to twist it into that. I felt I had to respond and challenge that situation only. Not this one. Thanks for directing it in the proper direction.

[Restola]

People are jumping in on this that dont even know whats going on, which is fine. But how about what shartley or I have said? Any response? Does the silence indicate a complete lack of concern?

[ChucktheMAGician]

Ok, everyone go here and have fun! http://www.flaboratorium.org/data/flabor/4/4.htm

[lopxtc]

*L* I'll get banned for this one I am sure ...

Anyone for junking the current mods (Suspending status at least), and holding an "election" of sorts for new ones.

I purpose simply that anyone wanting to be a mod, along with current mods wishing to retain their status ... submit a post that states why they wish to be a mod, what they feel they bring to AO.org as a mod that no one else can, their qualifications (both technical, and non-technical) to be a mod ... a so forth.

Makes these open to everyone to read, along with AO staff, and give say a week for people to make their decisions. Personally I feel that the initial round of choices should be made by the forum users with the final selections being done by Tom or qualified AGD Employees, from the pool of users choosen by the forum.

We already know that some mods have choosen to enforce the rules one way at a given time, and another way at another time ... sort of like the cop who turns on their lights/siren to blow through a red light on his/her way home. And this has caused allot of tension with some users who do not like the absolute power given to mods.

Remember; "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men" {Lord Acton circ 1887)

Now I am not saying all mods are going to abuse their power, in fact I myself have had only one problem with a mod. Granted the choice this mod made was, in my mind, out of a lack of desire to really investigate the problem and just issue blanket warnings to all involved.

So what do you all think?

Aaron

[RobAGD]

I think what a lot of people seem to forget is that we do this on our own time. Some have more than others, We have a lot of work here that we do because we enjoy the site and want to keep things going well.

Every now and then someone gets edited and makes a stick about it. Deal with it, I have been as other hand been call to task aboout our editing of some post and thats part of the ground. Most of the time it's a non issue, when it becomes and issue is when people think they are being picked on for one reason or another. Now they start screaming about the moderation and that it is not free speach, we are repressed, The Mods are evil.

Well guess what guys, crap happens, we miss stuff and we make mistakes but #1 this is a private forum and unless a mod does something way out of line we are the deciding factor on whats a go no go on this site. We have rules and guidelines.

If you post was edited, and you feel you did'nt do anything wrong, think about it from someones else point of view. It may have been in a thread it didnt belong, poor taste or just in general it didn't belove or need where it was posted.

People need to grow up, and act at least some what mature enough to deal with not everything goes you way be it here or in the real world and not everyone cares about your opinion.

-Robert