IRAQ THREAD originaly "Seems at least one Brit agrees with me....er us."

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
Go up to people and ask what's the first thing people think of when they hear the term "concentration camp". Didja do that yet? I did. I asked 50 people, in bars, at work, etc. Guess what. ALL 50 SAID HOLOCAUST. And when I explained your argument, all 50 also thought it was quite humorous and ridiculas. So I repeat.


And I'll add: If you want to appear intelligent, try staying away from postions like that.

Does that mean anything no. The word concentration camp is different from a death camp. The two are thought of to be the same but is far from it. What is so hard about that. I guess the ingorance of the population goes into effect.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Does that mean anything no. The word concentration camp is different from a death camp. The two are thought of to be the same but is far from it. What is so hard about that. I guess the ingorance of the population goes into effect.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Does that mean anything no. The word concentration camp is different from a death camp. The two are thought of to be the same but is far from it. What is so hard about that. I guess the ingorance of the population goes into effect.

Hehehehehe did you just skip over that cute little example I gave? Or does it require further explanation? The term concentration camp was coined in 1901, death camp in 1944. However, the terms are used interchangably. I'd suggest typing concentration camp into Google. See what pops up...I'm guessing Dachau or Aushwitz.

When debating definition of terms is paramount. If a word means something to EVERYONE, then it's not easily redefined, especially when it's emotionally charged. Despite what you and merriem-webster say. Hence my argument on the word ***got.

Hold tight to your argument son, hold it fast. Can't let it slip away......

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

No, I told you what it is meant to be used as. I typed it; I should know what I meant it as. I meant it as a concentration camp, a camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions. Funny no where on dictionary.com do they say death camp, or for example Nazi holocaust or anything. But you type in death camp, and it says a concentration camp in which those held captive are likely to die or be killed. So guess what, a concentration camp is a generic term. Would you all like to care on with your stupid rant?

Under your word it says your definition but also the definition of homosexual men.

[aaron_mag]

Re: Re: Re: Great article

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
and I called terrorists a bunch of dirty night shirt wearing savages....

Your first statementment did not seem to be against terrorist (of whatever nationality they may come in) but against the arab population in general. It indicated that they are savages with little hygiene and (and this is the WORST PART) implies that they have poor taste in clothes.

all I need know is exactly where they are so that we may exterminate them.

We all want that but I feel it is important to add that it matters to us who gets in the way. Otherwise we are following the rhetoric quoted by Bin Laden when he says there are no civilians in this war (as amply demonstrated by 9/11). Also we are not exactly arguing about Iraq anymore...this started with our debate about Bin Laden and Clinton...

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
No, I told you what it is meant to be used as. I typed it; I should know what I meant it as. I meant it as a concentration camp, a camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions. Funny no where on dictionary.com do they say death camp, or for example Nazi holocaust or anything. But you type in death camp, and it says a concentration camp in which those held captive are likely to die or be killed. So guess what, a concentration camp is a generic term. Would you all like to care on with your stupid rant?

Under your word it says your definition but also the definition of homosexual men.

More proof that CollegeBoy lives in a world ruled by BOOKS. He knows that by saying one thing EVERYONE will THINK one thing and the visions imprinted in their heads will be one thing, but hides behind a dictionary and saying everyone else is wrong and we are ranting.

Okay CollegeBoy.. you are right.. technically the generic term and what EVERYONE knows it as is wrong. You are also a jerk of major proportions (and I use that word because what I really want to type would be against the rules here.).

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy



1de. I am not playing a semantics game. I showed you what the word concentration camp is. What ever meaning you put to it is your own fault, not mine. I used the word correctly. Can the PLO stop the violence? I don't think they can without allowing Israel to bomb settlements which will only allow more violence to erupt. You have to understand the situation over there before you render a judgment. I don't understand it completely, I never will, that is why I don't blame either side, but place blame on both sides.

You don't make any sense. You are playing semantics. You are assigning a different meeting to the term then 98% of the rest of the country assign to it. So we are wrong? It is a loaded term and you know it!

As for stopping the violence. If the PLO stopped it, what excuse would Israel have to bomb them? Israel would lose any moral advantage they feel they have now. They only bomb in retaliation now.

You wouldn't even be worrying about France if they didn't stand up to the US and say no. Props to them for doing so.

You are wrong, I have bashed the French forever. It is not only fun, but easy!

Take a moral stand, not an economic one and I'll respect you more in the morning! (Not you, France)

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
So guess what, a concentration camp is a generic term. Would you all like to care on with your stupid rant?

Under your word it says your definition but also the definition of homosexual men.

Cute. Ok I'll slow down. First we'll get some definitions. The word "mean": To act as a symbol of, to signify or represent. The word Definition: A statement of the meaning of a word, phrase, or term, as in a dictionary entry.

With those two definitions can you see how a word can MEAN one thing, yet be DEFINED as something different.

Let's move to my example of the word ***got. The word first MEANT and was DEFINED as a bundle of wood. Now over time it started to MEAN a homosexual man. Was it DEFINED as a homosexual man, not at first no. Do you see the correlation here?

One more time!

Originally by ShooterJM
When I first read this I thought this was a pretty freakin dumb stance to take. Now I realize it's not even a stance. It's just freakin dumb.

[joeyjoe367]

LOL

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


No, I told you what it is meant to be used as. I typed it; I should know what I meant it as. I meant it as a concentration camp, a camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions. Funny no where on dictionary.com do they say death camp, or for example Nazi holocaust or anything. But you type in death camp, and it says a concentration camp in which those held captive are likely to die or be killed. So guess what, a concentration camp is a generic term.

Okay, so by your definition, a REFUGEE CAMP administered by the UN doesn't fit the definition of concentration camp as outlined above. Are there fences around the camps to detain the residents? During times of calm, do not a majority of people leave the Refugee camps and go into Israel proper to work? Are there guard towers surrounding the camps to confine the residents? Since your book definition does not fit, I guess that means that you don't know what concentration camp means or else, like your friends, you are deliberately using a loaded term knowing what the general populace will interpret it to mean. Therefore spreading their propaganda!

Well?

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
You wouldn't even be worrying about France if they didn't stand up to the US and say no. Props to them for doing so.

I'm not worrying about them, even though they have stood in the way.

what are they going to do? stop selling us cheese?

[Collegeboy]

You all are funny. Yeah that is right rant on me for using a dictionary to get the definition of the word. If the general populace was right about everything the world ain't would be a proper word to use, but we all know that isn't correct.

Here is one more time the definition of a concentration camp.

concentration camp
n.
1. A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions.
2. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.


from www.dictionary.com

To the above lets see is the camps in Palestine fall into the equation. number 1 yes, number two yes.

So guess what, it is a concentration camp.


Now we have this settled can we move on.

[ShooterJM]

What do I need to use bigger text or something.....

I'm done. This officially is the point of no return. Everyone jump out before you're sucked in to a realm where logical progression means nothing.... AHHHHHHHHH it's got me.....! Go on without me....cough cough......save yourselves!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
What do I need to use bigger text or something.....

I'm done. This officially is the point of no return. Everyone jump out before you're sucked in to a realm where logical progression means nothing.... AHHHHHHHHH it's got me.....! Go on without me....cough cough......save yourselves!

No I read your post on the difference between definition and what something means.

[1stdeadeye]

No!

Originally posted by Collegeboy
You all are funny. Yeah that is right rant on me for using a dictionary to get the definition of the word. If the general populace was right about everything the world ain't would be a proper word to use, but we all know that isn't correct.

Here is one more time the definition of a concentration camp.

concentration camp
n.
1. A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions.
2. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.


from www.dictionary.com

To the above lets see is the camps in Palestine fall into the equation. number 1 yes, number two yes.

So guess what, it is a concentration camp.


Now we have this settled can we move on.

Don't think so. Are there fences surrounding them? They are places where people live. They are not detained or confined there, so Number 1 does not apply. They have historically been allowed freedom of movement in times where calm was prevalant.

As for number 2, I guess Camden, NJ is a concentration camp then!

You are playing semantics for sympathy. The problem is that everyone here sees through your thinly veiled attempt. It is not an appropriate term. Your defense of the usage just doesn't make sense.