Breaking News: Saddam Hussein captured!

[Rope a Dope]

:)

[p8ntball1016]

THEY ARRESTED SANTA! No y grip for me this year

[spazzed]

Originally posted by illshowumyramrod

i actually happen to know a lot, not as much as a lot of you, but you'd be surprised how much i watch the news, and read the paper.

You'd be surprised how liberally biased most news & papers are..:)

[illshowumyramrod]

"You'd be surprised how liberally biased most news & papers are.." said by spazzed.


im not liberal, its not like i read the paper and watch the news and whatever they show or tell that is what i choose to be my choice. i am very independent. I just don't trust Sadam. I realize my choice was kind of haste, and i didn't review it enough, but i still go with killing him. Bush went there to (object 1) kill Sadam and his regimin (object 2) restore Iraq, and i think he should finish out object 1.

[impostal22]

fragtek: funny how you wouldn't ostracize a 14 yr old for spouting conservative garbage, even if it was just as ignorantly stated as his liberal garbage.
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but ya...i guess we're all forgetting that saddam wouldn't have had the wherewithal to kill so many people as he did without our help...kinda like osama bin laden...not that these two people aren't as evil as we all think they are. i know they are, and am NOT rooting for them. however, it's important to remember that the united states can be viewed as direct influences in these terrorists' efficacy. the diehard liberal would say it's completely the US's fault, while the diehard conservative would say the US wasn't at fault at all. this is the primitive use of binaries, and we shouldn't really act so primitively.

diehard liberals and diehard conservatives who just disregard opposing views should be ignored. not to mention any names, but for those of you who just sit there and remain blissfully closeminded, remember that your view isn't THE view and your view is no more correct than OTHERS' views.

something else to note...the trading sanctions we placed against iraq has killed over 500,000 civilians in the past 10 years. could that or could that not be similar to a terrorist poisoning a reservoir? brings up the question: what is terrorism? many diehard conservs would argue that trade sanctions are a part of war. the truth is that traditional terrorism is a part of war too, and is usually the only means of fighting back efficiently for the countries that do it. but ya...the trade sanctions ended up punishing everyone but those at fault, so what makes them right?

not to get on a tangent, but i hate the closemindedness of the people on this forum. those who disagree with your views are wrong, and those who effectively bash those who disagree with you are your allies. just cuz we're talking politics doesn't mean we have to act like politicians. just take a deep breath and remember, your views are just as subjective and biased as those you disagree with.


ps- sorry if this causes the closing of this thread.

[FactsOfLife]

First thing I thought of when I saw the pic of the capture...

MY GOD! They caught Moses!

[FactsOfLife]

And just some career advice for Presidential wanna-be Kerry,

STFU moron.

[Sir_Brass]

negative. we went there to remove saddam from power. that means remove him and make sure he never comes back. he can be either dead or alive, but preferably alive, that way we can get the location of the WMD sites. Also, we want to put him on trial.

The object was never Saddam's death specifically, though his death would've solved alot of problems. but if we had the chance first to capture him alive, then that's what we would've done and did.

Freeing Iraq was always priority numero uno.

[spazzed]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
And just some career advice for Presidential wanna-be Kerry,

STFU moron.

Oh hell..what'd he say?

[illshowumyramrod]

ya i kind of thought that might have been it, but i wanted to be right, so i put what i somewhat thought down. Oops. I still do think he should be killed, but if he is put to trial that would be good too. Hopefully we'll get some info out of him, and if he does escape, i'll change my perspective on this instantly, and say that we should have shot him, no question about it.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
negative. we went there to remove saddam from power. that means remove him and make sure he never comes back. he can be either dead or alive, but preferably alive, that way we can get the location of the WMD sites. Also, we want to put him on trial.

The object was never Saddam's death specifically, though his death would've solved alot of problems. but if we had the chance first to capture him alive, then that's what we would've done and did.

Freeing Iraq was always priority numero uno.

not disagreeing with you, but killing saddam right off would have neither freed iraq, nor solved many problems. he had many people who would've just taken his place, like any good regime. and if freeing iraq was priority numero uno, why did we attempt to assassinate him? everyone, especially the government, knows that assassinations only lead to a violent fervor and another leader just like the assassinated taking power.

edit- assassinations work iff the assassin government takes immediate control of the country (it would have to be an oppressive rule though, to force the acceptance of the new leadership and prevent rebellion)

[Surreal]

Ho Ho Ho!!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by impostal22
but ya...i guess we're all forgetting that saddam wouldn't have had the wherewithal to kill so many people as he did without our help...kinda like osama bin laden...not that these two people aren't as evil as we all think they are. i know they are, and am NOT rooting for them. however, it's important to remember that the united states can be viewed as direct influences in these terrorists' efficacy. the diehard liberal would say it's completely the US's fault, while the diehard conservative would say the US wasn't at fault at all. this is the primitive use of binaries, and we shouldn't really act so primitively.

Yes, the Russian Tanks he used to hold onto power were our doing. Same with the Russian Migs. The whole world dealt with this madman at one point or another.

something else to note...the trading sanctions we placed against iraq has killed over 500,000 civilians in the past 10 years. could that or could that not be similar to a terrorist poisoning a reservoir? brings up the question: what is terrorism? many diehard conservs would argue that trade sanctions are a part of war. the truth is that traditional terrorism is a part of war too, and is usually the only means of fighting back efficiently for the countries that do it. but ya...the trade sanctions ended up punishing everyone but those at fault, so what makes them right?

You are so full of crap your eyes must be brown! 500,000? Where do you get these figures? Oh that is right, you pulled them out of your butt!

Food for Oil ring a bell? The Iraqis received quite a bit, but Saddam stole or plundered it. Our doing all right.

BTW The sanctions were the work of your preciuos United Nations, not solely imposed by the United States!

not to get on a tangent, but i hate the closemindedness of the people on this forum. those who disagree with your views are wrong, and those who effectively bash those who disagree with you are your allies. just cuz we're talking politics doesn't mean we have to act like politicians. just take a deep breath and remember, your views are just as subjective and biased as those you disagree with.

Not always. Aaron Mag and I disagree all the time, but in a fun and friendly way. Don't come here spouting BS and garbage as fact and expect not to be chastised. Who are you Jim Drew?

If you come here with made up statistics and spouting your opinion as fact ala Collegeboy, you will get dumped on!

Show me proof of your 500k people dieng as a result of the sanctions or STFU! Also, Terrorism is a crime, not a form of warfare. Terrorism by definition attacks civilian targets deliberatley which is against the laws of war! For example if US bombs hit a market trying to take out an Iraqi Anti Aircraft Battery, that would be allowed as collateral damage. A truck bomb to kill civilians in the same market would not be allowed under the laws of war! Look it up!

[cphilip]

Final warning on the politics and name calling. It stops now or the thread is gone.

[impostal22]

let's see now...

You are so full of crap your eyes must be brown! 500,000? Where do you get these figures? Oh that is right, you pulled them out of your butt!

Food for Oil ring a bell? The Iraqis received quite a bit, but Saddam stole or plundered it. Our doing all right.

BTW The sanctions were the work of your preciuos United Nations, not solely imposed by the United States!

i love how you say "your precious united nations," when i never supported them once. notice the binaries thing i was talking about? i sure do.

onto the proof....

http://solidarity.igc.org/atc/89Heller.html from the institute for global communications..but i'm sure it's too liberal for you, so they're making those numbers up...if so...

http://www.endthewar.org/frontps/factsheet.htm still liberal to you i'm sure (considering it's criticism of the war), yet it cites where the numbers came from. but i'm sure you'll disbelieve that, too.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/ihr/display_details.cfm?ID=80&document_type=commentary

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072100-03.htm maybe a liberal site, but published through reuters, so it's merely posted on this site.

from the UN's website...

http://www.un.org/ga/children/iraqE.htm

"It suffices to mention the death especially among children under five years of age. This number has totaled more then half a million child at the rate of 9000 child monthly, i.e., a child dies every five minutes and this means that 900 child will die during the convening of this conference. What is sadder is the fact that they are dying a slow and agonizing death due to a variety of ailments and acute shortage of medications. "
but i'm sure he's a liberal scumbag who is making it up too. how could someone in the UN, whose job is to find this stuff out, be RIGHT?!

stop acting like this stuff doesn't happen deadeye, you're smarter than that.

Yes, the Russian Tanks he used to hold onto power were our doing. Same with the Russian Migs. The whole world dealt with this madman at one point or another.

actually i was more referring to the $6billion we gave to him under the bush administration...plus the actual weapons tested on the kurds. after all, that is THE most cited act of saddam's terror...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...elp-list_x.htm but i'm sure the Associated Press is just a bunch of liberal scumbags making stuff up too.

oh and something released in germany; a leaked report from the 12,000 pg iraq dossier...
http://www.thememoryhole.org/corp/iraq-suppliers.htm if you don't like this website, just look around on the net. IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15322

Terrorism is a crime, not a form of warfare. Terrorism by definition attacks civilian targets deliberatley which is against the laws of war! For example if US bombs hit a market trying to take out an Iraqi Anti Aircraft Battery, that would be allowed as collateral damage. A truck bomb to kill civilians in the same market would not be allowed under the laws of war! Look it up!

and like all laws, terrorism is a very relative term. many would argue that bombing residential areas of various countries (accidentally of course, cuz if it were on purpose, well, the u.s. would be violating the rules of war, which it never does!!!) is terrorism. it's all about intentionality, and as the country we are, we have to say we bombed them accidentally, or else it would kinda nullify the rules of engagement. and if you ask me, if our soldiers kill unarmed civilians routinely (to the point where we are compensating the families with money), why is it so unbelievable that we bomb civilian targets on purpose? ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...093319,00.html ) independent media, or liberal if you don't agree with it :)