Rumsfeld gettin drilled on CNN

[Rooster]

"dead POW's or soldiers killed in combat"

Major combat has been over for a year. Those were murders.

[PissedGodzilla]

But the only thing Rumsfeld is guilty of is not informing the President sooner. He can't be held responsible for the actions of 5-10 people in one prison. If this was'nt an election year this would be a much smaller issue than it is.

ummm no, It is HIS JOB to be responsible, he is the damn SECRETARY OF DEFENSE! He is responsible for the actions of the military, he is partially in control of it!

I don't blame the President for this one at all, but it is Rumsfled's job to make sure stuff like this dfoesn't happen. THIS MAKES US LOOK JUST AS BAD AS SADDAM IN THEIR EYES.... This is really really bad...

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[QUOTE=PissedGodzilla]ummm no, It is HIS JOB to be responsible, he is the damn SECRETARY OF DEFENSE! He is responsible for the actions of the military, he is partially in control of it!
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Ok, let me rephrase, I'm at work and a little distrcted by the sun shining outside my window. I agree, it falls under his job title and untimately he is responsible for those troops, but to fire him over it is rediculous.

[taylor492]

short of working a shift at the prison, i dont think there is anything Rumsfeld could've done to keep this from happening.



w00t 300 posts!

[tony3]

I'd fire the soliders, get it over with already, stop dwelling on the little things. Was it wrong? Yes. Should they be fired? Maybe. Is it that big of a deal? No.

[PissedGodzilla]

I'd fire the soliders, get it over with already, stop dwelling on the little things. Was it wrong? Yes. Should they be fired? Maybe. Is it that big of a deal? No.

Are you insane?!!?! POLITICS ASIDE! this is hugely bad!!!


Just take a look how bad this is!

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/402079|top|05-07-2004::15:06|reuters.html

http://www.itv.com/news/623337.html

It is bad.... the world is going to start believing those religious zealots that say we are the bad people... can't you see how bad this makes our military look??? We should be above this if we want to claim being the good guys....

Here is the full document:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0505041torture1.html

Look, This is just bad for our troops outside the U.S.

To the people who live on the fence out there, they are going to start to believe the radical muslims when they see stuff like this... it's only a matter of time now until we start seeing thier rhetoric about how this is proff of our evilness....

This is just bad.....

[-Carnifex-]

"dead POW's or soldiers killed in combat"

Major combat has been over for a year. Those were murders.

I always thought "major combat" meant the most intense part. I guess I learn something new every day.

[SlartyBartFast]

Have to agree with PissedGodzilla

Just look at what the kook cleric Sadr is saying:
[Quote]"What sort of freedom and democracy can we expect from you [Americans] when you take such joy in torturing Iraqi prisoners?" said Mr Sadr. [\Quote]

It's like the crap between the Palistinians and Isrealis. Doesn't matter who started what. There is enough truth in the accusations from each side to keep the conflict going on forever.

To stop such conflict, someone has to rise above the rehtoric and set the example. Of course, even then there can be widely divergent opinion on the correct balance of approach that should be taken.

To make sure that democracy and rule of law take over in Iraq and not the kooks and extremists, the situation has to be dealt with VERY quickly and VERY publicly. Both unfortunately are against normal military plans of action.

The International Red Cross has reported that the abuse is widespread, not "isolated". That has to change immediately.

If it doesn't, every terrorist organisation will see recruitment and fundraising soar.

The problem is that the original terrorists may have been idiots and madmen. But once you kill an innocent you've made it very personal and very real for that victims family and friends.

[Rooster]

"To the people who live on the fence out there, they are going to start to believe the radical muslims when they see stuff like this... "

They already beleived it. Nothing was going to change their minds. Contempt for superior societies is indoctrinated into these people. The only thing they understand anymore is lethal action.

[taylor492]

"....Contempt for superior societies is indoctrinated into these people. The only thing they understand anymore is lethal action.

No joke. I was watchin this report on TV about this guy who went to some school or somethin in the middle east somewhere. All they did there was teach people to hate the US and other countries, but mainly the US. He said the kids were asking him all sorts of wierd questions about life over here and that u could tell they were engrained with these ideas that we're all evil.

[SlartyBartFast]

And many of the right-wing rhetoric on this board shows the same contempt for other societies and opposing ideas.

If you want to fight indoctrination, it's not going to help much if you re-inforce the view that the US is evil by actually being evil, now is it?

Think about what 25 billion (the new amount asked for by the pentagon) in education, infrastructure, and health care would have accomplished.

But I know which members aren't going to ever be swayed. Let's just all build giant walls and hope noone pushes the button.

[Rooster]

"Think about what 25 billion (the new amount asked for by the pentagon) in education, infrastructure, and health care would have accomplished."

Absolutely nothing, and if you beleive it would have, you are either simple or a fool.

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More money to education wouldn't help?

[Ov3rmind]

Anyone who thinks education doesn't need more funding has no idea what they are talking about.

[Rooster]

So 90% of it could be lost in the bearucracy? Yeah, alot of good. Government health care is a fool's errand, and always has been. Infrastructure is another branch thats always been more pork barrel spending than substance. Of course the money shouldn't be going to Iraq, they need to be paying us in oil. The correct use of the money would be defense programs. Our weapons research is sorely lacking.