Artillery Round Containing Sarin Nerve Agent Explodes In Iraq

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That wasn't directed at you 1DE. I believe you when you say NJ's teacher's union is evil; I have no reason not to. I was just stating that not all unions and teachers are unfair, etc., thought to be honest I don't know much about Colorado's teacher union since I go to a charter school.

[Rooster]

"That's not necessarily true. Not everyone is paid what they're worth."

Everyone is paid what they are worth. If you are worth more, find another job. If you can't, you wern't worth more.

[Bluestrike_2]

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Uhh, let's get back on topic. Now, where's Jack?

[FactsOfLife]

[cough]Off Topic[/cough]

Uhh, let's get back on topic. Now, where's Jack?

uhhhh he's "off"?

[davidb]

uhhhh he's "off"?

I'd say that about sums it up..

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"That's not necessarily true. Not everyone is paid what they're worth."

Everyone is paid what they are worth. If you are worth more, find another job. If you can't, you wern't worth more.

No, some people are not paid what they are worth, thus they have unions. Unfortunately, the unions are generally over-zealous and greedy.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

ive never been to switzerland. i never plan on going anywhere in europe. what i have done is played with you guys for the past two weeks, trying to piss you off, and it was fun while it lasted, but im getting bored with it.

so lets recap. first we started talking about the sarin gas. then we started talking about the war in general. then bluestrike over there started talking about long distance running? then we started talking about the swiss. then you started talking about unions. its been fun.

[shartley]

ive never been to switzerland. i never plan on going anywhere in europe. what i have done is played with you guys for the past two weeks, trying to piss you off, and it was fun while it lasted, but im getting bored with it.

so lets recap. first we started talking about the sarin gas. then we started talking about the war in general. then bluestrike over there started talking about long distance running? then we started talking about the swiss. then you started talking about unions. its been fun.

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And by your own admission, you've only posted to piss people off, which is against the rules. And so bu-bye. Ask nicely and maybe you can come back. But hey, you were bored anyway.

[1stdeadeye]

And by your own admission, you've only posted to piss people off, which is against the rules. And so bu-bye. Ask nicely and maybe you can come back. But hey, you were bored anyway.

LOL!!

Banninated!!!!!

[Rooster]

"No, some people are not paid what they are worth, thus they have unions. Unfortunately, the unions are generally over-zealous and greedy."

I'm sorry, but just becuase you think you are worth more, doesn't mean you are. Collective bargining is a communist tactic to try to use the power of the mob to do what they are too stupid and insignificant to do the right way individually. Everyone in a free-market, deviod of unions and minimum wage, is paid exactly what they are worth. You don't get to decide what you are worth, becuase you are only worth as much as your next best option.

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Listen, I don't know what era you're in, but here in the 21st century the Cold War is over. Yes, communism is a bad economic system. Yes, it doesn't work and shouldn't be adopted. It is not, however, the huge, sinister threat you make it out to be.

The "right" way doesn't exactly work when you can just be replaced (though I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "right" way. I presume it means either working hard then asking for what you need or finding a new job.). Sure, you can go find another company in the same industry that will pay more, but not everyone can do that, thus unions are used to bring the workers benefits they feel they need (This is running under the assumption that said union isn't over-zealous, corrupt, etc. such as the NJ Teachers Union.). It's not always practical for people to go to their employers demanding more benefits, etc.

"You don't get to decide what you are worth, becuase you are only worth as much as your next best option."

Not sure what you mean by this, so give me some room if I misread. I'm assuming what you mean by "your next best option" is someone who is willing to do the job for less than the one looking for the raise, ie some foreigner. This is especially true without minimum wage. As we've seen through early American history we run into problems with people being underpaid, thus the unions were created. So no, in a free-market without minimum wage there is no chance for people, no matter if they are "stupid and insignificant," to advance or gain the things they need without the solidarity of a union. And please, don't argue that they shouldn't have chosen said profession, because, obviously as we've seen with Jack, some people are not intelligent enough to get jobs other than factory worker (Do not confuse intelligence with motivation.). It's ignorant to say that people are paid what they're worth in a free-market devoid of minimum wage and unions; people are paid what the CEO, et al, believe they should be paid and that is generally what will make the owners, etc. the most money.

Finally, please don't call me some pinko-commie-liberal-facist-idiot just because I don't agree with you. I am not saying that everyone should be rich, regardless of they're chosen profession or motivation. I am saying that the hard working man, what I see as the backbone and epitome of the American way, should be able to survive and gain some amenities; have the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If you disagree, at least give me the courtesy of a logical reply, none of this "You're young, so you don't know what you're talking about," because it's obvious I don't have the same experience as you, Shartley, 1DE, or Facts, but if you're debating the issue, that shouldn't matter; you should be tearing my ideas apart, not my person.

[FactsOfLife]

Listen, I don't know what era you're in, but here in the 21st century the Cold War is over. Yes, communism is a bad economic system. Yes, it doesn't work and shouldn't be adopted. It is not, however, the huge, sinister threat you make it out to be.

The "right" way doesn't exactly work when you can just be replaced (though I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "right" way. I presume it means either working hard then asking for what you need or finding a new job.). Sure, you can go find another company in the same industry that will pay more, but not everyone can do that, thus unions are used to bring the workers benefits they feel they need (This is running under the assumption that said union isn't over-zealous, corrupt, etc. such as the NJ Teachers Union.). It's not always practical for people to go to their employers demanding more benefits, etc.

"You don't get to decide what you are worth, becuase you are only worth as much as your next best option."

Not sure what you mean by this, so give me some room if I misread. I'm assuming what you mean by "your next best option" is someone who is willing to do the job for less than the one looking for the raise, ie some foreigner. This is especially true without minimum wage. As we've seen through early American history we run into problems with people being underpaid, thus the unions were created. So no, in a free-market without minimum wage there is no chance for people, no matter if they are "stupid and insignificant," to advance or gain the things they need without the solidarity of a union. And please, don't argue that they shouldn't have chosen said profession, because, obviously as we've seen with Jack, some people are not intelligent enough to get jobs other than factory worker (Do not confuse intelligence with motivation.). It's ignorant to say that people are paid what they're worth in a free-market devoid of minimum wage and unions; people are paid what the CEO, et al, believe they should be paid and that is generally what will make the owners, etc. the most money.

Finally, please don't call me some pinko-commie-liberal-facist-idiot just because I don't agree with you. I am not saying that everyone should be rich, regardless of they're chosen profession or motivation. I am saying that the hard working man, what I see as the backbone and epitome of the American way, should be able to survive and gain some amenities; have the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If you disagree, at least give me the courtesy of a logical reply, none of this "You're young, so you don't know what you're talking about," because it's obvious I don't have the same experience as you, Shartley, 1DE, or Facts, but if you're debating the issue, that shouldn't matter; you should be tearing my ideas apart, not my person.

Yeah communism isn't that bad, it only killed a hundred million people, let's give it another chance!

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Yeah communism isn't that bad, it only killed a hundred million people, let's give it another chance!

That's not the point. I never said it was good. I never said it should be adopted. I never said we should let it rebound or spread. I said it's not the major threat it used to be.

Also, I'm not sure how Communism killed hundreds of millions, but maybe you're refering to Stalin, who is a man not an ideology?

[Lohman446]

Yeah communism isn't that bad, it only killed a hundred million people, let's give it another chance!

An economic system cannot kill 100 million people, it just can't. Totalatarism (sp) can, fascism can, even a democratically elected government can. I need to back up, I suppose it could if things went badly or if people were not paid enough to live on (total free market system for instance). But it was not communism that was responsible for the deaths of so many in history.