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[shartley]

ha, yes, i have been to switzerland with a family friend (28 or so) that lives there, and has lived there, all his life. all in all, i was quite impressed. sure it has its ups and downs, the language being one of them, it comes off as a very nice place to live. im not too sure if i would have to join the military there, but i wouldnt really care if i had to. im in good shape, and i planned on entering the US marines before i became disgusted of this ****-hole country and decided to leave.

[Buff]

hey shartley......u seem to be trying to discourage him.....dont.

Just how old are u o wise and far seeing Captain Jack?
just wandering.....

by.....

[shartley]

hey shartley......u seem to be trying to discourage him.....dont.

Sorry..... my bad....

[davidb]

Oh c'mon.. better that he should see reason now than be inflicted on the Swiss..

[1stdeadeye]

and as for the US, i have no respect for what its become. as soon as i graduate from college, i hope to move to switzerland or some other european country. the US is doomed to disaster, and anybody who cant see that is blind.

Yet the rest of the world so wants to get here that they will try any means possible. Switzerland has a ton of people trying to get in there.

Tool!

BTW, you never addressed my PROOVING you wrong on your economics statements!

[Bluestrike_2]

never once did i say that fat people are poor. "home of the fat, the poor..." does it say the fat poor people? no, it says the fat AND the poor. and bluestrike, you humor me. jumping to conclusions and saying that i am in fact fat. what a blind strike. i am in soccer (div. 2), school and summer, and run around 3 miles a day when we dont have practice. weighing 120 lbs and coming in at around 5' 7" may be a little overweight, but that is for you to decide. i refuse to eat at any fast food burger chains, and havent drank pop in about 2 months.

i respect the men and women fighting in iraq. this is not their war, they are just the puppets. i cant be mad at them for doing what they are told.

and as for the US, i have no respect for what its become. as soon as i graduate from college, i hope to move to switzerland or some other european country. the US is doomed to disaster, and anybody who cant see that is blind.

Take your measly 21 miles per week and shove 'em. Bow down to the awe of distance runners. Hmmm, your 21 vs. my 80 miles per week.

LONG LIVE THE DISTANCE RUNNERS.

By the way, I know many 400/800 runners who run more than you.

How can you expect to do better if your *only* running 21 miles per week. There is little to no improvement in your aerobic capacity at that level. If you really want to improve, step it up a notch. I suggest looking at the Lydiard Way. Here's a quick summary. He has a book out. You will, however, have to make a few adjustments to it since soccer is not as demanding as long distance running. http://www.runningtimes.com/issues/00june/lydiard.htm Find your schools XC course and do some work on it. You will see an improvement. Mark my words. Sure, you might be outsprinted on the soccer field, yet, at the end of the game, you can kill them without being tired....

[FactsOfLife]

im in good shape, and i planned on entering the US marines before i became disgusted of this <B>*POOF*</B>-hole country and decided to leave.

<B>*Warning: No Cussing*</B> -Miscue

You are not fit to be in the Corps.

"Being in shape" is hardly a qualification for being a Marine.

Having said that, I'd love for you to go in the Corps, I'd give you a week before you were treated to your first blanket party.

[Bluestrike_2]

great, I'm posting again....

I'd give him, oh, maybe, two days. One probably. Blanket party compliments of his C/O. Hehehe.

on another note:

Three miles a day = 21/week. That's pathetic. Horribly pathetic. Even the lazy sprinters usually do more than that in HS track and field. Capt_Jack as a Marine. Please excuse me while I laugh uncontrollably....

Probably thinks he can be an officer.....

Dear god, can't stop laughing! , , , , , ,, , Need I go on?

I really hate it when someone tries to insult me, my country, or my sport. When that happens, you better watch out!! You are the kind of kid I could see screaming "Run, Forest, Run" at me or anyone else just because we have super-short split shorts and don't wear underwear....... Or socks.....

Note: That's only in races. Don't think too much into that comment.

[Buff]

LONG LIVE THE DISTANCE RUNNERS.

ah, uh, well......
I say LONG LIVE THE SWIMMERS!!!!!!
bahahahaha
No injuries for me

but actually, I think 3 miles a day is about right if ur going into boot camp.
coming out.....hehe, there gonna kick ur butt at basic:P

[Lohman446]

Good luck on moving to Switzerland.. I really hope you like it and don't bother to come back.

I suggest one thing when visiting other countries to put them in perspective - walk a half mile off the tourist track, and hop on a public transportation bus. Take the ride and look around you - I have seen the Bahamas this way, and I will tell you there are houses smaller than my office with nothing more than a curtain for a door - the people are poor and by poor I don't mean they can only afford a 27" TV - I mean they have to worry about food for their children. I am not making a judgement on the righteousness of those living conditions, but they are not something I would want to live in. I talked with a cab driver I got to know in Mexico once.. he worked 70 hours a week to keep his family middle class.. and by that he meant they had a television and TV service. He was a very hardworking gentleman that I would be pleased to have for a friend who knew the value of his work, to his family. I am sorry to not see people like him see the great benefits that they could have for such hard work and dedication. He was, however, a happy and content person, and I have to wonder if some Americans who live in such luxury without knowing what they have will ever have the contentment he did in life. I have to accept that I do not... despite any material wealth around me.

The difference in Iraq and all the other countries with genocide - they did not pose a threat to us. Now I will let you argue the severity of the threat, neither you nor I have all the information those who made the decision do, so lets call it argueable. I mean we didn't even do anything about Japan and Germany until they presented a direct threat to us and our interests. Had Germany stopped in France and not threatened the UK we might have let them keep it (why oh why couldn't Germany have been satisfied without the UK). Like it or not we seldom act to prevent genocide (though we have before) and normally act to protect our own interests.

As far as economics - economics work in cycles of recessions and booms. I could make the argument, that if economic policy influences those cycles that the last big boom was from Reagons changes. The problem is, fixes are not quick fix get rich quick schemes. As the aquisition of wealth takes time and planning so does the building of an economy. Why did anyone think that "trickle down" meant it would be quick? Does anything about the term trickle down imply speed to anyone? Bush has reversed this theory with something along the lines of "trickle up" economics. Put more money in the hands of the middle and lower class who have a bad tendency not to save their money (I'm in the group) and they will spend it. This spending will cause companies to produce more, create jobs, create more money... Its oversimplified yes, but I don't think its entirely wrong in thinking. The problem I see is a good share of that money is taken as profits by foreign investors and manufacturers. As for our current economic situation and all our jobs leaving to Mexico I need ask only one thing. Who signed NAFTA? Who supported NAFTA (though NAFTA got support from both parties if I recall). This was an error and I beleive is obviously a contributing factor to some of the problems we face today in regards to the job market. I beleive morally it is our governments obligation to tarriff products from any country who's workers do not have benefits and working conditions that are at least comparable to ours. However, I don't want to pay $300 for a pair of shoes so maybe I'm only in hypothetical agreement with my own beleif. Yes, I know that there are American companies that make shoes, and no they are not $300 but it was an example.

[Bluestrike_2]

Jack got owned.

He thought his 21 mpw was good. Then I came in......

Oh yeah, Jack, I PLAN ON PEAKING THIS SUMMER AT 100-110 mpw.

Trickle Down Economics. Maybe he figured trickle meant "rush." Rushing down economics.

Jack, move to Switzerland. We don't care. It's just that I feel sorry for the ski resorts, Intamin and the other coaster design companies, the government, and it's people.

Try to grow some skin Jack. You are inciting an argument on this forum. This is unacceptable. Now, everyone is drawn into it. Great! Now, go give me a ******* twelve mile run! NOW!!!!!

You think I'm kidding?I'm not. Go run....

[Rooster]

"This was an error and I beleive is obviously a contributing factor to some of the problems we face today in regards to the job market."

I have to disagree on this point. NAFTA has allowed for the exportation of meanial labor to other countries. The fact is, if your job can be done by a Mexican, it should be. That is the bueaty of a free market. That is why our country continues to grow. Products must be produced cheaper to increase consumption. SBC, for example saves billions of dollars a year by outsourcing cheap labor. SBC provides low cost phone service and high speed net access (I use it myself). If costs go up becuase of a silly protection tariff becuase Harry J. No-skills isn't smart enough to either get out of manufacturing and get into service, or better yet, into management, what did we save? A useless job that some country is going to be smart enough outsource for pennies on the dollar. I'm sure Mr. No-skills is good at what he does, but this is an information economy, people need to grow up mentally, or they are going to be washing streets. Thats social darwinism, and the faster it happens, the faster we can better ourselves as a people.

[1stdeadeye]

If costs go up becuase of a silly protection tariff becuase Harry J. No-skills isn't smart enough to either get out of manufacturing and get into service, or better yet, into management, what did we save? A useless job that some country is going to be smart enough outsource for pennies on the dollar. I'm sure Mr. No-skills is good at what he does, but this is an information economy, people need to grow up mentally, or they are going to be washing streets.

? for you. If he grows up into management, who would he manage? All of those other no skills positions would have been outsourced.

[Lohman446]

"This was an error and I beleive is obviously a contributing factor to some of the problems we face today in regards to the job market."

I have to disagree on this point. NAFTA has allowed for the exportation of meanial labor to other countries. The fact is, if your job can be done by a Mexican, it should be. That is the bueaty of a free market. That is why our country continues to grow. Products must be produced cheaper to increase consumption. SBC, for example saves billions of dollars a year by outsourcing cheap labor. SBC provides low cost phone service and high speed net access (I use it myself). If costs go up becuase of a silly protection tariff becuase Harry J. No-skills isn't smart enough to either get out of manufacturing and get into service, or better yet, into management, what did we save? A useless job that some country is going to be smart enough outsource for pennies on the dollar. I'm sure Mr. No-skills is good at what he does, but this is an information economy, people need to grow up mentally, or they are going to be washing streets. Thats social darwinism, and the faster it happens, the faster we can better ourselves as a people.

Unfortunately going into the "information" age scares me. When I was in college and looking at info-tech jobs I asked myself, what am I actually doing that someone in society needs. I could not come up with the answer and decided that moving back towards mechanics (auto-technicicans, whatever you choose to call it) was the right move for me - and I actually moved into management. Is this a non-skilled job - well when's the last time you were able to fix your own vehicle? Not to say for a moment that the info-tech jobs are not important, so don't get me wrong on that one.

What worries me, is when the world went wrong and WW2 resulted, it was our manufacturing power that pulled us through - the superpowers of the era, Germany, Russia, the US - were all able to pull there manufacturing of peacetime goods into war time service. Today is different, we rely on smart weapons, and the ability to not enter a war of attrition with any country.

A pause well I make some concessions here - no country ever stayed great by looking at what made them great, and stopping there. There is always a need for evolution into something better. My way of thinking on this is likely wrong and I realize that.. but sometimes one has to look at the future and wonder as well. I think we are making a mistake - I truly beleive that. I also acknowledge that as we move forward I will likely be proven wrong.

There is a place in society for the non-skilled labor - and I beleive that having these non-skilled jobs available at a living wage (argue what that is later) is important. I do understand the theory of world market and world competition. I still beleive in the American dream - for Americans and whoever wants to go along. If you do not support your workers to some common liveable level (Im not going to define that, but it is not what most workers in third world countries have) than our government has the duty to tarrif your imports to make the price competetive to our own products. That is my beleif, and I can easily see arguments against it, and arguments that go beyond it, but I do beleive that the American government has a duty to protect the interests of all Americans as a whole, from the highest echelons of our society to the lowest.

[Rooster]

"If he grows up into management, who would he manage? All of those other no skills positions would have been outsourced."

I take it you've never had the opportunity to manage subcontractors. Keeping all those companies in line is even harder than keeping employees in line.

Second, yes, I agree, there are some job we must protect in the interest of national security. Agriculture and farming is one that should be protected. The steel industry is another, as well as defense contracts. However assembling cable modems isn't a vital job. Its not a skilled job. Its one that should be exported.