Artillery Round Containing Sarin Nerve Agent Explodes In Iraq

[FactsOfLife]

You know, that's an AWESOME point

can't be, I never have any useful content in my posts, I'm nothin more than a mind numbed conservative robot....





:P

[Lohman446]

im not even going to try and organize all my thoughts so here goes:
Why do ramblings of random guess with little fact to back them have to start with this? Saying things like "I don't know the accuracy of what I say but this is what I think" works much better and is much more honest

do NOT address the acts of a few insurgents as the acts of an entire country. everybody here seems to be jumping the gun and assuming that the shell was produced by saddam hussein's regime. for all we know, it could have got smuggled out of russia or china.
Or Syria.. or Iran... or we could have given it to them in the 80's. The point is that we were repeatedly told that Iraq had NO weapons of mass destruction - not JUST A COUPLE but NO. One WMD could cause 9/11 to look minor. If it was not there when the war started where did it come from, and who is violating international law now?

we HAVE been looking for chemical/biological weapons this entire war, and so far this is the only one we have found. my guess is that only a couple more will be found in the same way the last one was found.

never did i say that iraq didnt have wmds. it is very well known that iraq once did have wmds, but it seems they destroyed them, or buried them.
Or at least most of them... maybe there are only one or two floating around somewhere. What kind of security did they have if they "lost" a couple. I mean... there WMD

you say that the berg execution was commited by a known Bin-Laden ally and that proves an Iraq Al-Quida connection. there quite a few US citizens that have al-quida or bin laden connections, does that mean that the US has ties al-quida? think, then speak.
Yes.. we had ties to Al-quida - after the actions of Al-quida proved that they were not our ally we made such connections illegal and enforced our laws against them - remember the crack downs on the charities? The poitn is that Iraq was harboring terrorists - Saddam offered money to suicide bombers... Saddam was a destabilizing force to the region - with or without Al-quida.

the way that the iraq war and vietnam wars were fought were so different that they arent even comparable. however, the false reasoning behind the iraq and vietnam wars are very alike.
False reasoning? I'd be interested to see you explain the reasoning that was false. Is it based on Iraq did nto have WMD? Saddam did not commit autrocities (not violations, but near genocide)? Iraq did not give comfort to our enemies? Iraq lived by the terms of surrender of the first gulf war? Iraq was in compliance with UN resolutions? Iraq did nto divert money from teh food for oil program? We had ample reason to go into Iraq, even if we did pick out the ones that were most threatening to us. What fals reasoning for Vietnam.. that if we did not go in to help Vietnam would be communist? What happened when we left, they held free elections?

the fact that thousands died in vietnam and only 700+ have died in iraq has no relevance. the way the wars fought and the amount of people involved are completely different. heres some fast facts:
US deaths in iraq: 700+
iraqi militant deaths: about 7,000
US civilian deaths: less than 20 would be my guess
iraqi civilian deaths: 10,000
us vietnam war deaths: 58,000
viet cong war deaths: 1,000,000
now lets do some math:::
gulf war II=700/7,000= 10%
vietnam=58,000/1,000,000=6%!
now theres some interesting statistics......
Wow.. you can make numbers say anything youwant.. and 1 million viet cong deaths - Im curious as to the source? or civilian deaths... or militant deaths

and you guys are right, i have no respect for what this country has become. its filled with an extreme amount of obesity, a certain air of ignorance, and everybody seems to have a "im better than you" attitude. big corporations no longer care for the consumer or the worker, they only care for more money to line their pockets. the government is turning its back on the energy and social security crisis thats bearing down on us. our court system is completely corrupted, in a way that if you are rich you dont get punished as badly as if you are in the working class. illegal immigrants flood across the border stealing jobs from the poverty stricken base of society.

womens rights are slowly coming to an end, with funds being cut that go to planned parenthood and other pro-choice non-profit organizations, which means they are cutting back staff (this one hit very close to home).
Women's rights are ending? which rights? The right to choose - not really even if you did make a valid argument on this, rights is plural, what other right? Women are going to be in the kitchen again? oh, and BTW I am sorry that hits close to home.. but it is part of teh "great" economy that Clinton left us with and Bush ahs done little to help

the gov't is restricting research on stem cell research, which appears to be a very promising way to find cures for diseases.
Restricting - the also restrict the use of humans for test subjects.. verything has a cost and a benefit - few things are as one sided as you may think them

the US is no longer the only superpower, maybe in military size it is, but most certainly not in economics.
When were we the only superpower if you count economics? We have had trade deficits since longer than the end of the cold war.

most of what i just said isnt aimed at the republican party, because democrats are also creating many problems. the us is going down the crapper, and when people start to notice that, then maybe the correct changes will be made.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling... I think thats the voice of every new generation as they learn that the world is not teh sheltered thing there mommies adn daddies made it out to be and learn that the world is a harsh and cool place

---cphil, please dont think i ignored you. i have school, and i posted my last post during my journalism class. dont jump to conclusions and say that i ignored your request, because that is not the case.

And you will ahve to see above in blue for the reply to the quote.. dang 10 character rule ignores things in quotes

[cphilip]

---cphil, please dont think i ignored you. i have school, and i posted my last post during my journalism class. dont jump to conclusions and say that i ignored your request, because that is not the case.

Ok I will accept that explanation. Thanks for that. Carry on!

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

The lowest casualty estimates, based on the now-renounced North Vietnamese statements, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed. Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. 58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action. Australia lost almost 500 of the 47,000 troops they had deployed to Vietnam and New Zealand lost 38 soldiers.

http://www.vietnam-war.info/casualties/

[1stdeadeye]

can't be, I never have any useful content in my posts, I'm nothin more than a mind numbed conservative robot....
:P

LOL! It was a great point. Can we bomb France now? Please?

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

LOL! It was a great point. Can we bomb France now? Please?

Not until after you eat your veggies!

[Rooster]

"few US citizens that have al-quida or bin laden connections, does that mean that the US has ties al-quida? think, then speak."

LOL! The child tries to use reason. How quiant. You forgot one thing my little liberal chest banger, we throw people with ties to Al-Quida into detension without trial, Sadam supplied, paid, and even set up a camp for them. Enough difference for even your child-like mind to recognize.

And your stats are garbage, becuase they compeltely fail to take one important thing into consideration, the population of the country pre-war. This is no Vietnam, its not even close, its not even comparable. Everyone with an ounce of education outside the liberal propoganda machine understands this.

And no, I don't feel bad that women are losing their "right" to kill their own children.

[Bluestrike_2]

Captain!!!

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

ever did i say that iraq didnt have wmds. it is very well known that iraq once did have wmds, but it seems they destroyed them, or buried them.

Here I thought they were all under Saddam's bed.....

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and you guys are right, i have no respect for what this country has become. its filled with an extreme amount of obesity, a certain air of ignorance, and everybody seems to have a "im better than you" attitude. big corporations no longer care for the consumer or the worker, they only care for more money to line their pockets. the government is turning its back on the energy and social security crisis thats bearing down on us. our court system is completely corrupted, in a way that if you are rich you dont get punished as badly as if you are in the working class. illegal immigrants flood across the border stealing jobs from the poverty stricken base of society. womens rights are slowly coming to an end, with funds being cut that go to planned parenthood and other pro-choice non-profit organizations, which means they are cutting
es will be made.

[cphilip]

Hmmm. I don't recall burrying them as a means the UN prescribed as dismantling and complying... Nor do I ever recall Iraq ever claiming they burried them in order to comply. That would be rather stupid of the weapons inspectors to accept that explanation. I think thats not an acceptable means of compliance. In fact I believe they were to produce them for destruction and compliance. And claimed to have done so. A Dog burrys a bone for one reason. To hide it and dig it up later for his own use. And no one would include burrying as a means for complying. And thats the first time I heard that as an acceptable means of complying. Sounds like now the argument is going to be that its the same thing? They don't have them because they burried them? Awww... common now. I don't even believe you mean to try and claim that nonsense....

[-Carnifex-]

3. Shell aside, Nick Berg's exocution by a known Bin-Laden ally proves a Iraq Al-Quida connection. That is just the most recent development in a long list of ties to Al-Quida. Whats more, is that the tie itself was all that was ever presented, no one in the government ever said Iraq had anything to do with 9-11, they said Iraq had ties with Al-Quida.

Everything else was right on. Though I don't deny the connection, Nick Berg's murder (not execution) does no prove the tie between Al-Quida and Iraq.

In regards to other posts, what you lefty morons don't realize that though this artillery isn't nearly the magnitude of a nuke, etc. it could still do massive damage if terrorists (sponsored by Saddam) were to place it in a subway or something akin.

[Lohman446]

You know the more I think about it these terrorists have no rights.. too bad they don't have a country somewhere. It seems to me that US military personal were just ATTACKED WITH A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. It has always been my understanding that US policy has been to repsond to an attack with a WMD with a counterstrike involving a WMD... too bad these guys are cowards.

[ShooterJM]

You know. At some point I'd like anyone who calls the president stupid to take a real IQ test. I'm pretty sure 90% or more will score lower.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

I can't resist playing devil's advocate...

"...we throw people with ties to Al-Quida into detension without trial, Sadam supplied, paid, and even set up a camp for them. Enough difference for even your child-like mind to recognize.
...

Freedom of Association? Innocent until proven guilty?

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

And your stats are garbage, becuase they compeltely fail to take one important thing into consideration, the population of the country pre-war. This is no Vietnam, its not even close, its not even comparable. Everyone with an ounce of education outside the liberal propoganda machine understands this.
...

Nearly all stats are garbage. But please explain how the pre-war population of either Iraq, Vietnam, or the USA invalidates the point CaptaiN Jack was trying so clumsily to make? In both cases the US Army was/is fighting locally-based guerrillas, and inflicting casualties an order of magnitude greater than they are receiving. How does population size affect that?

[cphilip]

I can't resist playing devil's advocate...



Freedom of Association? Innocent until proven guilty?

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

I love Ben Franklin quotes but in a lot of cases Ben was rather not one to follow all of his choices and examples. He was a fairly odd bird. Often his logics were not something I would support. Some of them were. He was an Athiest until he died and an unrepentant one at that. And he was rather the drinker as well. Things that don't bother me at all, but to some would say these things discredit him and much he had to say as they do not always conform to the normal morals of the country as a whole.

[spantol]

Franklin, like many of his contemporaries, was a deist. Indeed, he once remarked that "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

I love Ben Franklin quotes but in a lot of cases Ben was rather not one to follow all of his choices and examples. He was a fairly odd bird. Often his logics were not something I would support. Some of them were. He was an Athiest until he died and an unrepentant one at that. And he was rather the drinker as well. Things that don't bother me at all, but to some would say these things discredit him and much he had to say as they do not always conform to the normal morals of the country as a whole.