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[Lohman446]

I take it you've never had the opportunity to manage subcontractors. Keeping all those companies in line is even harder than keeping employees in line.
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The problem I see with that theory.. is what are those subcontractors doing? Yes there are bound to be some jobs at that top of the pyramid.. but the more jobs at the bottom the more jobs on the levels towards the top. There has to be a point in every company where they are actually providing a product or a service that the public actually needs or wants. This is why I was so concerned with high level info-tech jobs, they just seemed so removed from that aspect that... well I asked myself "what skill am I gaining that someone actually needs". Are these jobs important, yes they are. But remember, the person at the bottom welding that circuit board is just as important as the person at the top selling that circuit board, he just may be easier to replace. I think what middle-management is missing on this, is after they outsource all the low end jobs... well the person who speaks both Hindu and English, lives in India and will do their job for less money (that is the job of middle-management), is going to get it. Outsourcing is a trend that starts at the bottom... but it goes very very close to the top before it ends, assuming it does end.

[Rooster]

"well the person who speaks both Hindu and English, lives in India and will do their job for less money (that is the job of middle-management), is going to get it. Outsourcing is a trend that starts at the bottom... but it goes very very close to the top before it ends, assuming it does end."

This is why the srvice industry is so large, and the manufacturing so low. You arn't going to drive to Cambodia to get your grocieries.

[1stdeadeye]

"well the person who speaks both Hindu and English, lives in India and will do their job for less money (that is the job of middle-management), is going to get it. Outsourcing is a trend that starts at the bottom... but it goes very very close to the top before it ends, assuming it does end."

This is why the srvice industry is so large, and the manufacturing so low. You arn't going to drive to Cambodia to get your grocieries.

Grocery store cashiers aren't rich if I am not mistaken. Historically manufacturing jobs are better paying so for those Auto jobs to move from Detroit to Mexico does hurt!

[Rooster]

The question is not if the clerk is richer than the assembly line worker (which any disparity is purely the fault of over-zealous unions, turning a screw and scanning a box of cereal isn't that different) the question is is the auto plant, or the store making more money. The problem is a simple one to solve. Keep the one making more money.

[1stdeadeye]

The question is not if the clerk is richer than the assembly line worker (which any disparity is purely the fault of over-zealous unions, turning a screw and scanning a box of cereal isn't that different) the question is is the auto plant, or the store making more money. The problem is a simple one to solve. Keep the one making more money.

Here lies the dilemma. Both are making money. But if you close the auto factory, you can make more with cheaper labor. However you just killed that town and the stores and restaurants that survived off of the factory workers. A little protectionism now and then does help!

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Here lies the dilemma. Both are making money. But if you close the auto factory, you can make more with cheaper labor. However you just killed that town and the stores and restaurants that survived off of the factory workers. A little protectionism now and then does help!

I'm an admirer of controlled capitalism, and a little protectionism. Unrestricted capitalism leads to a greater disparity between rich and poor, which is not historically conducive to social/political stability. And I think countries have a right to try and keep strategic industries (and economic keystones) at home.

The question is not if the clerk is richer than the assembly line worker (which any disparity is purely the fault of over-zealous unions, turning a screw and scanning a box of cereal isn't that different) the question is is the auto plant, or the store making more money. The problem is a simple one to solve. Keep the one making more money.

The relatively high wages paid in the automobile sector (arguably the highest-paid manufacturing jobs) predate union involvement. Henry Ford paid his workers three times the average wage in order to ensure they would be able to afford to buy his cars.

Unions are rarely over-zealous, IMO. Unless they drive the employer into financial trouble (as in the airlines, or most pro-sports), they are only trying to get a fair share for the people who do the work. And don't forget it was the unions who got us down to a 40hr work-week!

[1stdeadeye]

Unions are rarely over-zealous, IMO. Unless they drive the employer into financial trouble (as in the airlines, or most pro-sports), they are only trying to get a fair share for the people who do the work. And don't forget it was the unions who got us down to a 40hr work-week!

WRONG!!!!

Check out your local teacher's unions. The NJEA is the biggest problem that the public schools in NJ have. You can not fire an incompetant teacher because of them. Once in the system, you are safe forever.

Better example: Last year the Grocery store unions at the local Shoprites went on strike. All of them settle quickly except for one chapter where the leadership refuses to settle because they felt insulted by the replacement workers Zallies used. Their strike fails to and they sign the same contract but only after their people were out of work for over a month with no benefits! That hurt a lot of people!

[Rooster]

Unions are a communist invention and collective bargining laws should be repealed imediately. If someone tried to shut down my shop with a strike, I'd fire every last one of them and replace them with Mexicans before you could blink.

You get paid what you are worth. If you were worth more, you would move to another job and make more. If you can't, you need to be making less. I'm sorry, but just becuase you happen to suck air into your lungs and walk on two legs doesn't make you valuable human capital.

[Target Practice]

1DE:

Maybe on your side of the country the teacher's unions are strong. The CTA is pretty much worthless in this part of the state. We got a rogue first-year principle firing people left and right because she doesn't like 'em. Just an example. She has fired a teacher with 18 years experience teaching English. This person has a Masters in English, has published books, and holds something like four or five certificates in various educational crap. Who are they replacing him with? A part-time PE teacher, with no English experience to speak of. The union won't touch it. They won't back up anybody, at least in my (sort of) neck of the woods in SoCal.

[-Carnifex-]

You get paid what you are worth. If you were worth more, you would move to another job and make more. If you can't, you need to be making less. I'm sorry, but just becuase you happen to suck air into your lungs and walk on two legs doesn't make you valuable human capital.

That's not necessarily true. Not everyone is paid what they're worth.

[Target Practice]

That's not necessarily true. Not everyone is paid what they're worth.

Ahhh...Truth. Gotta love it!

[1stdeadeye]

1DE:

Maybe on your side of the country the teacher's unions are strong. The CTA is pretty much worthless in this part of the state. We got a rogue first-year principle firing people left and right because she doesn't like 'em. Just an example. She has fired a teacher with 18 years experience teaching English. This person has a Masters in English, has published books, and holds something like four or five certificates in various educational crap. Who are they replacing him with? A part-time PE teacher, with no English experience to speak of. The union won't touch it. They won't back up anybody, at least in my (sort of) neck of the woods in SoCal.

Wish they would come here. We have some of the highest paid teachers in the country who strike at will, defy court orders, and defy the law. Last year they started locking up teachers for contempt in alphabetical order. The strike wasn't resolved until the reached the letter before the Union president's.

The NJEA is evil I tell you! They are one of the biggest reasons we have the highest property taxes in the country!

[-Carnifex-]

What people (such as Rooster) don't realize is that not all teachers are evil liberals who are out to sit around or brainwash America's youth.

Teaching needs to be competitive, teachers should lose their tenure, etc., but be given a large raise, at least $20k (at least for the ones here in Colorado).

[Target Practice]

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What's the point in having tenure if you are able to up and lose it?

[1stdeadeye]

What people (such as Rooster) don't realize is that not all teachers are evil liberals who are out to sit around or brainwash America's youth.

Ah reread my post little one! I did not bash the teachers, but their union. We have a joke around here. How can you tell which teachers suck? They are union officials!