best form of martial arts?

[Glickman]

FBI and San Diego?? investigations into officer fatalities in the 50??s I think. I forget exactly but investigations into officer fatalities, as well as consideration of training... indicates it

i dunno, i could understand 21 feet only because the chance to throw the weapon, but i think, expecially an officer, would be able to unholster his/her service pistol, just my opinion.

i think ill test it on a friend rubber knife vs zeus pistol

[Lohman446]

Remember, most trained officers only have a hit ratio of about 20% at 14 feet plus according to the NRA - no I cant find it right now, I have it somewhere though on sourcing that

[Jakedubbleya]

No, that doesn't work.

Well, why the hell not?

[Glickman]

Well, why the hell not?

becauese boots of excaping lvl 8 always outruns police officers

[tropical_fishy]

Alright cmon lets hear it. :)

you'll have to PM me for that one, he wont let me tell it on the forum.

[edweird]

i think theres enough time to draw, and unsafety

To be absolutley without a doubt factual on this, we test it every time at concealed carry classes to highlight what stage of readyness your comfortable with having your concealed/open carried firearm at all times. Alot of the scared housewives and ex hippys scared into owning a gun tend to say "in holster without a round in chamber", most NRA types will say "round in chamber saftey on". In both cases when hostered gun carriers are rushed by person with training knife they are unable to both pull the gun and either manuiplate the saftey or pull the slide. Hell the 3rd time ive watched this excercise the guy with the gun was disarmed by percussion, had his brachial plexus simulated cut and was set up for a subclavian finish. (for you non sayoc guys that means he is without use of his gun arm and inches from a very short timer cut) In the history of all the instructors I know, noone has been able to counter a rushing assailant within 21 feet by just draw and shoot. However there is a load of other stuff that can be done, but that normally includes the use of a tac flashlight, steping of line of attack and then finally pulling the sidearm and "reinitating the negotiation". The lesson in all this is just cause you have a gun its not always your go to item.

within 21 feet I will take a knife over a holstered gun any day of the week. But when you introduce blinding lights, mace, and/or movement prior to pulling your gun the chances of survival increase dramatically. Unfortunatly 99.9% of gun owners will try for the gun first instead of deescalating and moving off the line of attack.

[SpecialBlend2786]

you'll have to PM me for that one, he wont let me tell it on the forum.

........thanks dear

[tropical_fishy]

........thanks dear

Anytime.

[Jakedubbleya]

To be absolutley without a doubt factual on this, we test it every time at concealed carry classes to highlight what stage of readyness your comfortable with having your concealed/open carried firearm at all times. Alot of the scared housewives and ex hippys scared into owning a gun tend to say "in holster without a round in chamber", most NRA types will say "round in chamber saftey on". In both cases when hostered gun carriers are rushed by person with training knife they are unable to both pull the gun and either manuiplate the saftey or pull the slide. Hell the 3rd time ive watched this excercise the guy with the gun was disarmed by percussion, had his brachial plexus simulated cut and was set up for a subclavian finish. (for you non sayoc guys that means he is without use of his gun arm and inches from a very short timer cut) In the history of all the instructors I know, noone has been able to counter a rushing assailant within 21 feet by just draw and shoot. However there is a load of other stuff that can be done, but that normally includes the use of a tac flashlight, steping of line of attack and then finally pulling the sidearm and "reinitating the negotiation". The lesson in all this is just cause you have a gun its not always your go to item.

within 21 feet I will take a knife over a holstered gun any day of the week. But when you introduce blinding lights, mace, and/or movement prior to pulling your gun the chances of survival increase dramatically. Unfortunatly 99.9% of gun owners will try for the gun first instead of deescalating and moving off the line of attack.

Just, run, then pull it out as you are running. Has that ever even been tried? I mean, thatd be my first instinct every time... make space...

[Target Practice]

Just, run, then pull it out as you are running. Has that ever even been tried? I mean, thatd be my first instinct every time... make space...

What do you propose you do when you have the weapon unholstered and made ready to fire?

Edit: Remember now, they're chasing after you brandishing a weapon.

[Thordic]

You shoot back at him over your shoulder, duh. :)

[Jakedubbleya]

What do you propose you do when you have the weapon unholstered and made ready to fire?

Edit: Remember now, they're chasing after you brandishing a weapon.

Turn around and fire? lol.

Maby run around a corner and stop and wait for them?

Do one of those die hard barrel rolls where you dive onto the ground and land on your back, gun pointed at assailant, assalant would probably stop. If not shootem in the nuts, thatll stopem.

[MantisMag]

i prefer under the opposite arm. that way you don't deafen yourself. or if you're just trying to stop him from chasing you straighten your arm on the backswing and shoot him in the foot or leg. if you've really got skills do a wall flip and end up behind him pointing your gun at his head.

you guys arguing in favor of being able to draw the gun need to realize a few things. i don't really know much about it but i don't think the holsters most people use are designed for quick draw. they're designed for comfort and safety. also we're not talking about two people standing out in the middle of the road at 21 feet and somebody yelling go. we're talking about an attacker suddenly appearing 21 feet away like in a room that you just entered and he's there or he's around a corner or suddenly revealing himself as a threat and not a bystander. having a guy run at you with a knife from only 21 feet will make you nervous. you're probably going to fumble a bit. running is a problem because think of the position of the holster. also do you really think you're going to be able to keep him from closing the distance as you fumble for your weapon? especially if you're indoors in an unfamiliar place.

[MantisMag]

Turn around and fire? lol.

Maby run around a corner and stop and wait for them?

Do one of those die hard barrel rolls where you dive onto the ground and land on your back, gun pointed at assailant, assalant would probably stop. If not shootem in the nuts, thatll stopem.

you're retarded. turn around and fire? he's 21 feet away when you started and he immediately started running at you. how long do you think it took for you to realize there's somebody coming at you with a knife, start running the other way, and get up to a speed where he's not catching up? how close do you think he is now? now you're going to stop and turn around? or did you plan on shooting while running backwards?

run around a corner stop and wait. stop and wait? do you know how little space 21 feet is when you're running? and he's probably going to be closer than that at this point. if he's chasing you this guy is running full out. he doesn't need to stop and aim to slash you. in fact it'd probably be in his best interest to tackle you if you're gonna run. and stopping and waiting just defeats the purpose of having a ranged weapon. if you're in the middle of chasing somebody and you suddenly find yourself in a position where you're face to face with a gun your first instinct is not to stop. it's to get out of the way and disable that gun. he's gonna duck and slash at your gun arm. he's not gonna surrender when he's standing right in front of you, he's already in motion, and he's armed.

diving? barrel roll? you just lost sight of your target. and who says he's gonna stop. by the time he realizes that you're pointing at him how close do you think he is? why should he stop? he's right on top of you. depending on how close he is shooting him might not stop him from stabbing you.

[Jakedubbleya]

Turning around to shoot... i dunno doesnt seem that complicated to me, let stake it step by step:

your running

you pivot 180*

you go to one knee in the same motion

you fire.

you roll.

or:

you are runnign laterally

you fire
-----
90% of the time, the assailant is going to stop the moment you unholster your gun and yell "stop!" anyway.

As soon as that gun is unholstered you are home free. In close range combat id rather have a gun than a knife even if you couldnt get away, wouldnt you?

"Oh but he sliced your mondula oblongata and disabled your permitheum" b.s. if you go to grab the stabbing arm with your free hand knowing or not knowing martial arts, chances are you are going to get a non-lethal wound because you blocked him, in the same motion you fire into his chest and hes on the ground (assuming you used hollow pointed bullets of a decent caliber).

As for it being indoors or crowded, that would actually be to your advantage when trying to run and unholster your sidearm.

And how would diving onto your back make you lose sight of your target? (not that that would matter anyway)
-----
edit:

Back to topic:
Specifically, ive found that muoy thai isnt actually very street effective. Ive never taken a fighting class in my life, and i knew this dip who was a ripped blackbelt (or whatever their highest thing was) at the local muoy thai studio. This guy was probably 6" shorter than me (i'm 6'6") but he was healla buff.

Ive been playing sports my whole life (never did wrestling), and this kids athleticism was limited to extensive martial arts training and competition. To put a long story short, i simply slammed his *** to the pavement where he consequentially forfeited by concussion. This happened in about 11th grade, i believe, i wont say why thsi fight started, but suffice it to say he was always punching or kicking wherever he went like some sort of martial junkie, which made just about everybody anxious for an opportunity to kick hsi ***. He deserved it though, i promise (something to do with my sister).

Size and athletecism matter more than sparring form i guess. By the same token ive been completely whooped by wrestlers (good ones anyway).

Moral of the story, if you want a style that will earn you street cred, might wanna pick something other than Muoy Thai.