best form of martial arts?

[cockerkiller68]

I thought it was funny because we all train in garages too!!!

I was only making the point that most martial arts are WAYYY overrated in their strengths. For example, pressure points, touch of death, so many more things. We had a teacher that had devoted literally his entire life into learning the touch of death and all kinds of other things come into our garage by invite one day. My teacher asked to fight him and he agreed. He said the only condition was that he himself would not use the dreaded touch of death. My teacher said he would only fight if the guy used eveything he knew, so he agreed, with a stern warning. My teacher, within 30 seconds had the guy tapping on the floor. They fought two more times, same results. This grown man STARTED CRYING sitting against the wall. I felt much pity for him honestly. He said he was so sad because he devoted his whole life to this and my teacher beat him everytime with out even breaking a sweat. At this point, my teacher had only been practicing for about 4 years. This is a true story without exageration.

[Lohman446]

Wait, so non-ground styles do better when there are MORE people trying to pin them to the ground?

I am saying, that in a confrontation that starts on your feet you may have a better chance of neutralizing multiple opponents with a style that is not ground based. Once your on the ground obviously a ground based style is better.. but if your style relies too heavily on ground based tactics and you are forced onto the ground (assuming you would have been able to keep your feet) you have a problem against multiple opponents. Kenpo, at least the version I learned, has some ground based attacked in it. However, against multiple opponents I am going to rely instead on the base brutality of its standing attacks to take out as many as I can as quickly as I can... assuming I cannot get enough distance to let my .45 be part of the equation.

[Jack & Coke]

This is true of most any non-mixed art. The problem with any ground fighting style is this - what do you honestly do about multiple attackers? Most arts have weaknesses, and it is a combination style that allows you to be most ready for most situations.

this is a common flawed arguement (multiple attackers).

If I fight you, and I can take you down to the ground, what makes you think you'll fair any better trying to stay on your feet if you fight two, three, or four of me?

Of course it would be a mistake to pull guard in this situation, but do you really think you'll be able to stay on your feet against multiple skilled attackers? This ain't like in the movies where they all take turns one at a time to attack you.

It's not like you really have an option. If they want to keep it standing, then yeah... keep it standing, stick and pop, move! (using strikes and or throws).

But once they decide to bum rush you, you WILL hit the ground. At least if you train a little in GJJ, you'll have some sense of what to do, and what not to do, when you end up on the bottom of a pile of guys wanting to bash your head in.

For multiple attackers, the BEST STYLE of unarmmed training is CROSS COUNTRY.

[Lohman446]

this is a common flawed arguement (multiple attackers).

If I fight you, and I can take you down to the ground, what makes you think you'll fair any better trying to stay on your feet if you fight two, three, or four of me?

Of course it would be a mistake to pull guard in this situation, but do you really think you'll be able to stay on your feet against multiple skilled attackers? This ain't like in the movies where there all take turns one at a time to attack you.

It's not like you really have an option. If they want to keep it standing, then yeah... keep it standing, stick and pop, move! (using strikes and or throws).

But once they decide to bum rush you, you WILL hit the ground. At least if you train a little in GJJ, you'll have some sense of what to do, and what not to do, when you end up on the bottom of a pile of guys wanting to bash your head in.

For multiple attackers, the BEST STYLE of unarmmed training is CROSS COUNTRY.

I came on to try to edit mine quickly to note that against multiple attackers you are more than likely goign to end up on the ground. Against a single determined attacker you are probably going to end up on the ground. Multiple attackers my main goal is to try to make is as little of a disadvantage to myself as quickly as possible, because I am likely to end up on the ground. There are tactics I would use on my feet against multiple opponents that I would tell you are not well considered against a single attacker on there feet...

My concern is not just ending on the ground with them, its the posisbility of ending on the ground while one of them is still up. Sure I can take them down or defend myself on the ground against an upright opponent, but can I do that and deal with someone on the ground at the same time? It becomes rapidly harder.

Then again, your right in a way, unarmed against multiple attackers is not a good idea. The first rule of unarmed combat, to me, is to arm yourself... it comes right after the first rule of all combat - avoid if possible.

[hitech]

Maybe things have changed a lot in the last 30 years. When I took a martial art way back then, the main purpose of the art was discipline, both mental and physical. And I'd have to say that I have experienced nothing that performed as well at accomplishing that goal.

[Jakedubbleya]

Maybe things have changed a lot in the last 30 years. When I took a martial art way back then, the main purpose of the art was discipline, both mental and physical. And I'd have to say that I have experienced nothing that performed as well at accomplishing that goal.

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