One of my Kenpo instructors favorite things to do was invite in those who were good at "traditional" martial arts - be it Tae Kwon Do or Judo and illustrate how a base understanding of there system, reasonably good shape, and a mixed system generally succeeded against them.
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Originally posted by Jakedubbleya
No no no no no no no no.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.Comment
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Originally posted by Target PracticeI hate to keep this thread alive with stupid comments (oh, hello there, Mr.
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The average able-bodied man can cover 21 feet in less time it takes to draw, make ready, and fire a sidearm. Can you extrapolate the rest from there, or do we have to keep going?
LoL, it wasnt a stupid comment, it was a question based off of my miscomprehehnsion
woah big words! here ya go www.dictionary.com 
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Alright, I got to way in on this. I just got out of the Navy a couple weeks ago, getting ready to begin police training soon. My zoomie friend has it right with the 21 foot rule (and I'm impressed he knew it, I had a LCMD in charge of security for an entire base tell me I'm full of it when I mentioned the 21 rule at a training meeting). You may be able to draw, unsafe, and fire a gun that fast, butfew to none will be able to fire it accurately in that time. When I underwent advaced force protection training in the months after 9/11 and they went over this with us, they showed us a series of videos taken from the dash cams of police cruisers. One showed a shoot out between a cop and a guy he just pulled from a car. They were less than 5 feet from each other, they both emptied their weapons, and not a single round hit its mark. The other showed a cop getting rushed from a distance of 20-25 feet, he managed to draw and fire one round, and it went wide, all in the amount of time that it took the bad guy to close the distance and knock him down. Quick draw demostrations are done with special guns, holsters, and always at a fixed range.
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As for the subject of this thread, I've heard Krav Maga is good, allong with Brazillian Jujitsu. Systema I believe one of the previous responses called the Spetsnaz's training, this is the first I've heard the name, but I've previously heard the style is one of the better ones. Me, I've always been partial to Aikido, I've been looking to get back into it. If you're built like me-tall and skinny, it's the way to go.Die Screaming
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Thats why I use a sawed off shotgun....Originally posted by Eagle
Anyway, running lateral or kneeling would give me a decent enough platform. And its not like you only get one shot.Comment
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Eagle; thanks for the back up from a LEO prespective, these cowboys here think the world is all matrixy or something I swear.
JDub: common just accept the fact your at a disadvantage with a gun vs a non gun attacker within 21 feet, its not that hard to accept the fact your not always right. Also good job at carrying a sawed off shotty and yet again altering the predetermined scenario to your liking. Oh and the whole disregarding of laws regarding shotguns with barrels sawed below ATF standards is a one way trip to felony land and gone are your days of matrix diving sideways and shooting your shotty with underarm stylez. Seriously dude people run these scenarios week in and week out (CCW, personal protection, armed security, weapon retention, low light, and defensive pistol classes for both civilian and LEO/.mil-DoD) to prove a damn point, your firearm is just another tool that can be used improperly.
Krav Maga- I like some of the aspects ive seen of it, however I do not think its as deep of a system as I would like. Still the fact they teach the proper way to disarm someone with a guy with a handgrenade makes me happy in a special way. Hell the Massod like it, and im not one to get them guys mad at me... last thing I need is one of them putting a shaped charge in my cell phone and cleanly cutting my dome off in mid conversation.
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Lol, chill. Lol, like id seriously carry around a sawed shotgun...???Originally posted by edweird
I dunno how diving onto your back is exactly matrix....
And because my ego is so huge and i never knwo when to quit or when im wrong, i still say just run as you unholster your gun.
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Originally posted by JakedubbleyaLol, chill. Lol, like id seriously carry around a sawed shotgun...???
I dunno how diving onto your back is exactly matrix....
And because my ego is so huge and i never knwo when to quit or when im wrong, i still say just run as you unholster your gun.
Psst...Ed has forgotten more about stuff like this then you will ever know. You should probably listen to him.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.Comment
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Listen to what? him flame me about a post i wasnt even serious about?Originally posted by Target PracticeComment
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If I could only practice one "style", if would be Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (GJJ or BJJ). I think out of all the "single styles", it's the most practical and most effective for one on one for me
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However, the "BEST" is to cross-train!!!
But, don't forget the saying... jack of all trades, master of none!
Pick a "BASE STYLE" that you like and have a talent for (i.e. BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing, Kick-Boxing, etc), then compliment it by studying the other major styles. You study the other styles not to be a master in them, but so you can be familiar with them and adapt them to your game, skill level, and physical attributes.
I only train 100% GJJ because it's a hobby: I'm very limited in free time; I'm not training to be a "fighter"; I have a lot of friends in class; it's a lot of fun! :)
(I trainned under Royce and Caique for about 5-6 years... now it's in garages with friends).
However, if I wanted to be a "fighter", I would cross train:
- 50% GJJ (ground game and submissions)
- 25% MT kickboxing (standup game: punching, kicking, knees, elbows)
- 25% Wrestling (takedowns)
but that's just me... I like the ground.:)
"...the ground is the ocean... I am the shark... and most people are not very good swimmers..." -RoyceComment
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^^^ Jack and Coke: EXACTLY!!!
I was wondering when someone would write something that ACTUALLY WORKS IN REAL LIFE!! I will fight anyone from any martial arts background. The only ones I really worry about though are the crosstrainers between Muy Thai...BJJ (submission) and Olympic wrestling. Or a combo of two.
I'm sorry all: Kung Fu, Karate, aikido, Jiu Jitsu (japanese), etc etc etc...really don't work if you're fighting anyone that actually has any idea of what they're doing. I would put my money on a strict wrestler before ANY OF THOSE, black belt or otherwise.
I have seen WAYYYY too many upper black belt martial artisists get pounded WAYYYY too many times by WHITE BELT ( I kid you not) BJJers to believe that they are anything but show.Comment
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PS: Jack and Coke
Have you ever been to Fremont??? Do you know Terry Haynie?Comment
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This is true of most any non-mixed art. The problem with any ground fighting style is this - what do you honestly do about multiple attackers? Most arts have weaknesses, and it is a combination style that allows you to be most ready for most situations.Originally posted by cockerkiller68"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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Wait, so non-ground styles do better when there are MORE people trying to pin them to the ground?Originally posted by Lohman446Comment
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Fremont? no sorry...
I used to be a lot more involved in Martial Arts...
but... getting married and having two boys (2 yr old and 5 monther) will zap you of all your sleep and free time (if you want to be a good husband and father)
I will say this though.. in 8-13 years I will be loving it when my kids will be grappling and paintballing junkies. I'm really looking forward to rolling with them.
Anyways, regarding the different styles of martial arts... I believe some styles give you a better chance at success than others, but in no way does one style always beat another.
Aikido, Karate, TKD, etc. all have their strengths and weaknesses. They are not all garbage. It all depends on the student and how and when they apply the techniques they learn.
It's like this...
Let's say you win $1,000,000 if you can throw a baseball across the street and into your neighbors upper bathroom window...
Can it be done?
Yes! but the chances of success are low.
Now let's say, instead of the bathroom window, you win $1,000,000 if you can throw a baseball across the street and hit the big front garage door.
Much easier correct?
But! you can still miss!
My point is that every martial art or style has something to offer, but some give you better chances for success than others.Comment
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