Airsoft pistol in dorm lands me ridiculous punishment

[Stix]

Wow. That's a lot of stuff. My friend got something pretty similar when he got caught w/ a BB-gun. He got sent before academic judiciary. As luck would have it, the head of the panel also was part of his ambulance crew, so he got of eaaaaaaaaaasy. Not even an essay

You have a anal RA. I think I'm glad I was in a guy's only dorm. That meant a Guy RA. Both of my RA's were much cooler about the paintball stuff. I told them that I had it, and they said so long as I didn't fire it indoors I'd be ok.

On top of that, some guys down the hall bought one and were dry firing it in the hall when the head of our dorm complex wandered by. He said: " cool, can I try?" Geeze

When I was going to school, the guy RA's probably had the most illegal stuff period. Switch blades, butterfly knives, nunchucks, katanas, broadswords. Guns. Some marines had rifles; I know some other people had 45's. 9mm were not uncommon. Go figure. Kinda scary now that I think about it. They couldn't give a rats arse about any of the little stuff, like microwaves, weights, etc. Some of them even let outright drug use go unless people were getting out of hand.

Of course it was the gal's that were RA's that wrote you up for lighting up incense, or lifting weights in your dorm. Talk about being from different worlds, 'eh?

[Target Practice]

okay 330 fps, shooting a .12 gram projectile isn't going to hurt that much, probably wouldn't even shoot through a popcan. C'mon you can't look at just speed here, you also have to look at weight, sure it might hurt like hell if you get hit in the eye, but i dont think its going to put an eye out, unless you are putting your eye up to the barrel and pulling the trigger.

a .12gram pellet that is 6mm in diameter is pushing alot of wind for how much it weighs, its has almost squat for momentum(sp?)

i dont think you could do much damage with an airsoft gun if any at all.

Then why even play in goggles, right?

[skife]

Then why even play in goggles, right?

getting shot in the eye would hurt..... alot.

[rkjunior303]

yeah, even with an airsoft pistol it would be quite unpleasant.. Hell, it hurts to put my damn contacts in!

[SCpoloRicker]

TP wins. Thread over.

[spyderkiller]

Sounds pretty harsh to me...last year in my dorms we had full scale battles up and down the halls...like, seriously, we had probably 20 people with anything from a spring pistol to gas powered full auto m16 replica shootin' little plastic multi-colored pellets down the hall. If you weren't playing, you knew others were by the sound of millions of bb's hitting the outside of your door. Our RA made it very clear that if we got caught he knew nothing of our activities. Anyway, after about a week of nightly battles I guess there was finally a complaint and a tag-team of RAs from other floors came to investigate. They simply told us to put the guns away and they'd turn a blind eye. About two weeks later in a different dorm building an innocent bystander got shot in the eye, and at that point our RA told us that he better not see them again. So, looks like you got the short end of the stick on this one, but I'd definitely fight it...seeing as how you were simply holding it and handed it over promptly upon being asked to do so.

[rkjunior303]

Obviously, though, any of these "well at my school" arguments really have no bearing since it is HIS school's policy that was broken..

[spyderkiller]

Obviously, though, any of these "well at my school" arguments really have no bearing since it is HIS school's policy that was broken..

Oh Definitely. Didn't say that how my RA handled it was correct, only that his punishment is harsh.

[wanna-b-ballin']

what school is this? i am not applying there.

i need my paintball stuff. and there is no way in hell that i would drive anywhere to pick it up then drive somewhere else to play. i would keep it in my room. i guess thats something i should ask about when i check out colleges now.

[Jonneh]

Make sure there is at least one "oh god how did this get here i am not good with computers" in the essay.

[slade]

I'm saying that if I had to live with a bunch of stupid college guys, I sure as hell wouldn't want them running around the dorms shooting those damn things. It's not safe, and it's not necessary.

And no, the rules do not apply to a straw and a wad of paper. Just because you take it to extremes and the rule breaks down, doesn't mean it's invalid in the first place.

Thirdly, HIS may not have shot 330 fps, but did you ever stop to think that this not only covers his piddly-crap spring-loaded one, but also the $400, electric, full-auto airsoft guns that do 600 rounds per minute. Speaking with a friend of mine just now, he told me that he hopped up his MP5 to 330fps, as he plays competitively. Stock, the gun shoots 280 feet per second. So, yes, they will do in excess of 330 fps.

This is a good rule, and BTC was wrong in violating it.

Now, what is seriously not fair is the resulting consequences and method of punishment. That is should be what is under scrutiny, not whether or not the rule is good or not, or whether BTC was wrong for what he did.

i still dont like the rule. its one of those rules that does have a valid application, but, well, you can see where this went. it gives too much power over a student in regards to a trivial matter. the RA should have seen the airsoft pistol and just told him to put it away. my main problem with the rule (besides the fact that it encompasses ANY projectile) is that it is in regards to posession, not use. if, like you said, there were a bunch of idiots running around with airsoft guns, this would be a valid punishment and the school should be able to inflict it. and i never said anything about electric and gas powered airsoft guns. my point was, the pistol he had had a very very limited capablity to do damage. maybe if you hit someone in the eye theyd be hurt and itd take them a few minutes to recover.

Now, what is seriously not fair is the resulting consequences and method of punishment. That is should be what is under scrutiny, not whether or not the rule is good or not, or whether BTC was wrong for what he did.

obviously, there is something wrong with the rule(s) if it allows such a severe punishment for something so small.


...wow. ive got to stop arguing when im tired. i put up such a half-#%%ed argument when i am.

[maxama10]

School rules don't have to have anything to do with laws. As long as they don't discriminate due to race, sex, creed, dissability, etc.

maybe he claim hes being discriminated against due to his political party

[Vitamin G]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158721

Advice from various "right wing 2nd amendment supporting nutjobs" like you and me...


My personal thoughts on your 10-12 page paper... Be honest! Its about the best thing you could do to scare the crap out of them.

[slade]

maybe he claim hes being discriminated against due to his political party

or...

"my religion requires the ritual sacrafice of one crappy poorly manufactured airsoft pistol to the almighty god each day."



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TP:

(i) the term "weapon" means any object or substance designed to inflict a wound, cause injury, or incapacitate, including, but not limited to, all firearms, pellet guns, switchblade knives, knives with blades five or more inches in length, and chemicals such as "Mace" or tear gas.

thats a quote taken from the above link, in regards to another school's weapon policy. thats another example of why the rule is bad... or rather, an example of a better rule. it defines weapon as something designed specifically for causing harm. pellet guns are on the list, as they are not designed to be fired at a person. airsoft guns are specifically designed to be fired at a person without harming them. they arent weapons, so they shouldnt be regarded as them. if they werent regarded as weapons, the school wouldnt be able to inflict that severe of a punishment just for having an unloaded one in posession.

then again, mace probably shouldnt be on that list...

although, as you said, you wouldnt want a bunch of idiots running around having an airsoft fight all the time. then again, if they do, they shouldnt be charged for attempted murder for firing a "weapon" at someone. then again, you wouldnt want some idiot running around with a baseball bat clubbing people, but the baseball bat isnt covered under the weapons policy... it has to be covered some other way. the rules should easily keep students from having huge airsoft battles the same way.

[tropical_fishy]

or...

"my religion requires the ritual sacrafice of one crappy poorly manufactured airsoft pistol to the almighty god each day."



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TP:


thats a quote taken from the above link, in regards to another school's weapon policy. thats another example of why the rule is bad... or rather, an example of a better rule. it defines weapon as something designed specifically for causing harm. pellet guns are on the list, as they are not designed to be fired at a person. airsoft guns are specifically designed to be fired at a person without harming them. they arent weapons, so they shouldnt be regarded as them. if they werent regarded as weapons, the school wouldnt be able to inflict that severe of a punishment just for having an unloaded one in posession.

then again, mace probably shouldnt be on that list...

although, as you said, you wouldnt want a bunch of idiots running around having an airsoft fight all the time. then again, if they do, they shouldnt be charged for attempted murder for firing a "weapon" at someone. then again, you wouldnt want some idiot running around with a baseball bat clubbing people, but the baseball bat isnt covered under the weapons policy... it has to be covered some other way. the rules should easily keep students from having huge airsoft battles the same way.

please, beat the dead horse a little more . They WERE considered a weapon. He can't get UNPUNISHED, what he should focus on is changing the rule so they cant punish someone else for a similar incident in the future.