** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[athomas]

I just put my emag together and adjusted the LVL 10 bolt with the Red spring. The gun shoots nice but at times I get bolt stick. Maybe when I turn the gun on and first shot is bolt stick and then after resetting it and I start firing no more bolt stick. Then occasionally I might get another after 20 shots. I am really not sure what is causing this. Can someone point me to the right direction?

You are getting mild bolt stick. Try the next larger carrier size. Make sure you are not using any shims when doing this. You don't want to induce a shim leak because the vent hole is on the edge of the carrier oring.

[athomas]

well i put the red one and cranked the velocity not sure exact FPS no chrony here. but i can crank it and crank it and it still feels to stiff with the red spring on ?

What are you referring to when you mention "it feels stiff"?

If you are referring to the impact force, you test that by holding something against the front of the bolt when you pull the trigger. If the object held in the breach is not held directly against the front of the bolt, then you could feel the full force and not the reduced level 10 effect.

If you increased the velocity setting (chamber pressure) to the point that the gun starts to cycle, then the starting force of the bolt will not be that great because you have barely overcome the bolt spring force. That is how the level 10 works. Sometimes, if there is bolt stick due to a carrier that is too tight, then the force to start the bolt moving is greater than the force to keep the bolt moving. In that case you could feel a greater impact. Any instances of bolt stick like that can be fixed by using a larger carrier size.

[Geronimo7]

Try going to the next largest carrier. That should stop the bolt stick

[RavishingEddie]

sometimes bolt stick.

I just put my emag together and adjusted the LVL 10 bolt with the Red spring. The gun shoots nice but at times I get bolt stick. Maybe when I turn the gun on and first shot is bolt stick and then after resetting it and I start firing no more bolt stick. Then occasionally I might get another after 20 shots. I am really not sure what is causing this. Can someone point me to the right direction?

[canadian_nibbles]

When you use the next longer (red) spring, don't forget to increase the velocity setting to bring the velocity back up to 300fps.

When you do use the red spring, turn up the velocity until it does fire. What is your velocity at this setting?

well i put the red one and cranked the velocity not sure exact FPS no chrony here. but i can crank it and crank it and it still feels to stiff with the red spring on ?

[athomas]

I have been using my lvl 10 bolt but it still chops once in awhile, im using the shortest spring because if i use any diff spring it will not shoot doesn't leak or anything but it just doesn't fire at any suggestions>?

When you use the next longer (red) spring, don't forget to increase the velocity setting to bring the velocity back up to 300fps.

When you do use the red spring, turn up the velocity until it does fire. What is your velocity at this setting?

[canadian_nibbles]

Spring trouble

I have been using my lvl 10 bolt but it still chops once in awhile, im using the shortest spring because if i use any diff spring it will not shoot doesn't leak or anything but it just doesn't fire at any suggestions>?

[athomas]

Thanks I'll give that a try. For some reason I was thinking the red spring would be stronger than the silver one. What exactly is the definition of an older gun since these things last forever? My serial number is in the 21,xxx range.

An older mag would be any one that was produced prior to the release of the level 10. A 21,xxx serial number is definately in the old category. You have a lower pressure regulator piston assembly that probably needs to be upgraded to a new higher pressure one to handle the higher operating chamber pressure of the level 10 bolt system.

[ManInBlack]

Thanks I'll give that a try. For some reason I was thinking the red spring would be stronger than the silver one. What exactly is the definition of an older gun since these things last forever? My serial number is in the 21,xxx range.

[athomas]

Hey all, I've installed a level 10 in my classic valve'd pnuemag and I'm unsure the next step I should take.

I've got the carrier with one line and one dot in, 3 shims, and the non-red spring. it will function fine if I turn up the velocity to the point where there is gas leaking out the back. If I turn it down enough to stop leaking it won't fire. Should I go with fewer shims or a different carrier?

I know I should be able to find the info myself but I've been staring at if for a while and my mind has gone blah...

Thanks.

It sounds like you are using the long silver bolt spring. Use the red bolt spring to lower the velocity setting at which the gun will fire.

If it is not the bolt spring, it is quite possible that your regulator piston assembly is an older one that is set to a lower release pressure. If this is so, then you need a new assembly in order to run the level 10 bolt on your gun. If your gun is new, then the assembly is probably fine.

[ManInBlack]

Hey all, I've installed a level 10 in my classic valve'd pnuemag and I'm unsure the next step I should take.

I've got the carrier with one line and one dot in, 3 shims, and the non-red spring. it will function fine if I turn up the velocity to the point where there is gas leaking out the back. If I turn it down enough to stop leaking it won't fire. Should I go with fewer shims or a different carrier?

I know I should be able to find the info myself but I've been staring at if for a while and my mind has gone blah...

Thanks.

[athomas]

oh, I got it.
It wasnt the rail bushing.

it just came to life suddenly. No idea what I did.
everything is working fine, im going to the field with it on sunday to make sure it works.

I'm guessing that a piece of dirt was causing the issue and it dislodged and is no longer there.

[Mime]

The rail bushing fits in the hole at the back of the rail where the field strip screw goes through to hold the valve in place. If it is missing, it could cause the problems you are experiencing.

oh, I got it.
It wasnt the rail bushing.

it just came to life suddenly. No idea what I did.
everything is working fine, im going to the field with it on sunday to make sure it works.

[athomas]

what is a rail bushing?

and today I did the whole on/off thing and went through all the combinations again. now Im out of air for the second time and equally sad.
this time though I tryed with shims. still nothing. its still leaking and its still sticking even after one shot.

The rail bushing fits in the hole at the back of the rail where the field strip screw goes through to hold the valve in place. If it is missing, it could cause the problems you are experiencing.

[Mime]

Make sure your rail bushing is in place. If it is missing, the valve could sit too far back and simulate the same effect as too many shims.

what is a rail bushing?

and today I did the whole on/off thing and went through all the combinations again. now Im out of air for the second time and equally sad.
this time though I tryed with shims. still nothing. its still leaking and its still sticking even after one shot.