** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[athomas]

I have tryed ahem** :
Every carrier in combination with Every O ring.
I have not used shims. but I am going to try that with the smallest O ring and carrier to see if it helps.

and quite frankly I'v put just over 25% of the oil that you get in the bottle in the marker,
I cannot possible put anymore in it.

You do have bolt stick which is why it won't fire. That is due to a carrier size that is too small. The leak when a carrier is too small is usually a bad o-ring or a piece of dirt.

Don't over oil. You only need to wet the orings to make them slide better on moving parts.

Make sure your rail bushing is in place. If it is missing, the valve could sit too far back and simulate the same effect as too many shims.

[questionful]

I posted this on SpecOps but I'll post it here too. It's your on/off. You said on SpecOps that it still leaks when you hold the trigger down? Inspect your on/off O-rings, make sure you have the right ones in the right place, and oil them well.

[Mime]

I have tryed ahem** :
Every carrier in combination with Every O ring.
I have not used shims. but I am going to try that with the smallest O ring and carrier to see if it helps.

and quite frankly I'v put just over 25% of the oil that you get in the bottle in the marker,
I cannot possible put anymore in it.

[sdawg]

Dangerous power on/off flip switch ( is it supposed to blow out air when you turn it off?? )

yeah, that's a feature called "bleeding the lines."

Where is the leak coming from? If it's from down the powertube/barrel, have you tried different o-rings?

[Mime]

My issue..

Im rougly 2 full turns left of all the way right.. I have the Gold spring installed,
NO shims and the smallest carrier yet it is still leaking. any ideas whats going on, My tac one was supposed to be factory tuned yet it wouldent fire, so Im now tinkering with it and have come to this problem.

heres my setup.
Dangerous power on/off flip switch ( is it supposed to blow out air when you turn it off?? )
marcoline and 2 90 degree fittings.
everything else is bone stock
smallest carrier and no shims. my Internals are perfectly fine, nothing is broken or squished.

[athomas]

I never used to have any problems with my level 10 kit since I first installed it. Now, when I pull the trigger, the bolt stops halfway without making it all the way forward and then vents air continuously until I push it back with my finger.

What could be causing this problem?

Something is binding if it doesn't fire but the bolt makes it half way. If it fires but doesn't reset, it could be that your bolt spring is worn out. If it "chuffs" but doesn't reset, it could be a carrier that is too tight or the bolt is binding on something in the breach such as a broken detent or nubbin. The bolt should eventually reset on its own when the force on the bolt by the air pressure in the chamber goes below the force of the bolt spring. If this doesn't happen and air continues to vent out the front, it could be a sign that there is a leak in the on-off area. Try holding the trigger in following an attempted shot. The venting air should eventually subside.

I would check your carrier size and the condition of the powertube oring in the carrier.

Turn up the velocity setting.

[sdawg]

I never used to have any problems with my level 10 kit since I first installed it. Now, when I pull the trigger, the bolt stops halfway without making it all the way forward and then vents air continuously until I push it back with my finger.

What could be causing this problem?

UPDATE: have an ULE body with a Custom Products Angel detent. I had the detent turned in too far, and the bolt was getting stuck on the metal part of the detent. Actually, it permanently damaged the detent by denting it.

[athomas]

ok i got it too shoot but when i try to shoot fast it seems that it stops and lets air out between shots?and really slows down my shooting any advice?

What velocity are you shooting at? Make sure the velocity is high enough to properly cycle the gun. The level 10 bolt needs a higher setting than the level 7 bolt just to shoot the same velocity as you were shooting before the upgrade.

Remove the shims when testing.

[canadian_nibbles]

i have a retro mag and i just install the lvl 10 bolt im using medium spring, 2 shims, and the 2 lined carrier so send biggest. but whne i gas it up, theres no leaking which is good but when i pull the trigger nothing happens?
so not sure how to fix it

ok i got it too shoot but when i try to shoot fast it seems that it stops and lets air out between shots?and really slows down my shooting any advice?

[canadian_nibbles]

Wont shoot

i have a retro mag and i just install the lvl 10 bolt im using medium spring, 2 shims, and the 2 lined carrier so send biggest. but whne i gas it up, theres no leaking which is good but when i pull the trigger nothing happens?
so not sure how to fix it

[rexydog]

the holder does exactly what you see it doing. With the o-ring in place nothing moves around and the o-rings are held at the proper spacing.

Replace the back o-ring on the regulator valve pin assembly if you haven't already done it. There must be a defect in it. The mag regulator is fairly simple and if all o-rings are in place, it should function fine. If there is no dirt allowing air to pass, I can only guess that the o-ring is malfunctioning due to defect or incorrect sizing.

Well I replaced the o-ring agian, but it appears that my cat has managed to carry off my thumb screw. So once i find that I'll let ya know how it works. Thanks for the help.

[athomas]

Thanks I got it out. I don't see any dirt but i did notice that the regulator seat holder isn't exactly tight on the pin assebly it kinda wobles around, and if i take the o-ring that i am always moving(#34 on the picture from the manual) and place it in the holder it keeps the holder from wobling. Is that normal and what is the best method to clean these o-rings? Just rinse and reoil?

the holder does exactly what you see it doing. With the o-ring in place nothing moves around and the o-rings are held at the proper spacing.

Replace the back o-ring on the regulator valve pin assembly if you haven't already done it. There must be a defect in it. The mag regulator is fairly simple and if all o-rings are in place, it should function fine. If there is no dirt allowing air to pass, I can only guess that the o-ring is malfunctioning due to defect or incorrect sizing.

[rexydog]

To remove the valve pin assy on any RT valve, you can hook it by the small hole that is in the side of the tube on the regulator side. Just pull it right out.

Thanks I got it out. I don't see any dirt but i did notice that the regulator seat holder isn't exactly tight on the pin assebly it kinda wobles around, and if i take the o-ring that i am always moving(#34 on the picture from the manual) and place it in the holder it keeps the holder from wobling. Is that normal and what is the best method to clean these o-rings? Just rinse and reoil?

[questionful]

To remove the valve pin assy on any RT valve, you can hook it by the small hole that is in the side of the tube on the regulator side. Just pull it right out.

[rexydog]

You mentioned it was happening with the RT on-off as well, which is why I went that route. Since the problem is the same with both on-off assemblies, I suspect they are not the problem.

It definately appears to be a regulator valve pin oring problem. Why is it not being held in place. Are both orings at that end of the assembly in place? Is the reg seat holder installed in the correct orientation. Make sure there is no dirt or debris in any of the orings, including the front two orings and spacer on the front of the valve pin assembly.

I'm not really sure how to remove the Valve Pin Assemby, do i just use a pair of pliers to grab and pull? I don't wanna damage it. But i can see that the Regulator Seat O-Ring is in place and doesn't look dirty, the regulator seat holder appears to be right orintation(using a tac-one x-valve picture i found on the agd site), and the o-ring behind the seat appears to not be dirty. Let me know how to remove that assembly and i'll check the other two. Thanks