PTP Micromag Design Concepts

[matteusz]

yeah im not to crazy about a tac body either but there were ppl interested in one so i drew it up

im trying to do up some requests so we have more things to look at, so if anyone else would like to see an idea slapped up there shoot it to me ill probably do another one tomorrow.

I am for an art deco style gun. Concentric planes getting bigger as you go down. So terraced down from the feedneck to the rail.

[Fantom]

Unfortunately there aren't a lot of speedballers using 'Mags these days and the woodsballers, like me, have taken over the 'Mag mantle. It would sell better with scenario styling than it would with speedball styling. IMHO that is.............

Your HO is agrees with MHO. And your point about who uses Mags for play is right on.


I think the most sensible thing to do would be to do a poll of the people interested in this new design, woodsball vs. speedball and stick in the design thread to the winning style.

Personally, I don't have use for a "Speedballers" type marker but if that is what the poll indicates we want to do, I'll be happy to make my input under that set of parameters, not meaning with that, that I would end up buying one.

As I have expressed in previous postings, I do believe that the Mag valve system is the most consistent air dispensing system in the market which makes for the most inherently precise/accurate marker that can be designed. Therefore, I would love to see the Automag taking off in the marketplace again. Regrettably, I don't see it happening in the speedball side, as the marketing effort of some really big and agressive firms will keep that type of player focused on their products and will do whatever it takes to protect their market share.

The emerging market is in the scenario area. It is a market that has not matured yet and still offers the opportunity for market share acquisition. Be aware that it could mature pretty soon and the window of opportunity might close there too.

If what we are doing here with our ideas is to try to fulfill our own particular wishes, the wishes of the most active and verbal of the group will be the wishes that will be fulfilled, but that won't mean those will be the wishes of the majority that normally remains silent, they will just shy away from purchasing the design and the design will become another flop.

If what we want is to find a way in which AGD and its design linked firms such as PTP, can see an expansion of their market share and growth, we need to hit the spot on what the market really wants and then let our friendly companies take over from there and hit that market hard with all sorts of promotions, news releases, adds, etc. and that is, only if they want to do that.

Again, to the initiators of this thread, and defacto thread owners, would you please initiate a poll to define the style of play for which this design should be made.

[Dend78]

I am for an art deco style gun. Concentric planes getting bigger as you go down. So terraced down from the feedneck to the rail.

PM me a sketch of that and ill see what i can do

[MechMags]

Which is another reason supporting the micro-mag slug body concept. Keeps the intial cost lower, allows for overall flexibility of design to meet individual tastes.

I was under the impression that the main idea here was too get the body made, have it become a real product that we can get in our hot little hands. Then we could work with the skilled peoples here to create our grandest designs.

Peoples could get their mil-sim look, others can have the organic flow of sexy curves, and those of us so inclined could have it anywhich way and everyway we wanted.

It seems to me that if your going to loose participants, which could loose the project, then the project may be better served by some middle of the road compromise; thus, the micro-slug sounds like a good choice.

[muddshutter]

Strange idea, Is there a way of doing two both?

The base body would be simple and please a group and cost say $200

Then a mil-sim body that has more work done to it and it would be $250

Those of us that want the simple body, pay a little less and the ones that want a more complex mil body pay a bit more. You would be paying for the extra work?

[Dend78]

that would be a stellar idea but i think thats a bit more than PTP would prefer to get into, at least right now. i mean they are only looking to make a numbered run of these so splitting the order in half is gonna be rough seeing as the machines would have to be stopped and reprogramed to make it work. personally i love the look of the last batch that came out, lets carve some flames in the side of that beast instead of the lines and call it a day. but i do like the slug idea as well its simple its easy leave some extra meat on the sides to mill up as a person would like. ill throw a design together really fast for one.

[Whee McGee]

Which is another reason supporting the micro-mag slug body concept. Keeps the intial cost lower, allows for overall flexibility of design to meet individual tastes.

I was under the impression that the main idea here was too get the body made, have it become a real product that we can get in our hot little hands. Then we could work with the skilled peoples here to create our grandest designs.

Peoples could get their mil-sim look, others can have the organic flow of sexy curves, and those of us so inclined could have it anywhich way and everyway we wanted.

It seems to me that if your going to loose participants, which could loose the project, then the project may be better served by some middle of the road compromise; thus, the micro-slug sounds like a good choice.

The one problem with slugs I see would be increased costs for the consumer. I know that if I had to pay for the slug then pay an extra sum to get it milled, unless the cost of the mill was cheap (which it probably wouldn't, since it's a whole body asking to be milled), I would not be able to buy one, and I don't thin I would be alone on that.

[Dend78]

here is a design i named it meaty cause look at that extra metal on there

[matteusz]

here is a design i named it meaty cause look at that extra metal on there

I do so love the slug idea. I would love to see it even more meaty just a square block with only the most basic micromag elements. Only thing I would have done is the holes drilled for dual detents but NOT tapped.

Personally if a slug comes available I will buy all I can afford.

Mat

[Dend78]

im gonna do a section of one on monday so you guys can see a lil idea i have its nothing spectacular but i like the idea it will give the body a very clean look.

[MANN]

I know I have posted some of this before, but I really think it is nessary to repost.

Things that the new body should have (IMO) to be a great body.

1. Angel detents (dual would be great)
2. Accepts cocker threaded barrels
3. Angel threaded feedneck
4. RTP style sear. This way we can use Emag lowers without tring to find special emag sears
5. We need the body to be taller. If we have a unibody design I really dont want to have to use the spacer that was needed in previous microEmags.

As long as the above is integrated into the new body it should sell like hot cakes.

The designs look great. I dont care if it is sleek (for speedball) or milsim (for woodsball). My marker doesnt know where I am using it.

[jaywmustang]

i would like to see if ptp could throw out some rough designs. i am interested in what they think should be the next micromag.

[Lomarandil]

An element I really like, sleek or angular, is the hood over top of the valve.. I love my Xvalve as much as the rest of you, but that little overhang does a lot for the appearance IMO.

And I don't see why a body can't be angular and sexy in that regard without being a tac-body. There is a lot of room for a body design that isn't a ULE tube or something Karta-ish while also not being a Tac body.

Still voting for warp breeches.

Lo

[Whee McGee]

An element I really like, sleek or angular, is the hood over top of the valve.. I love my Xvalve as much as the rest of you, but that little overhang does a lot for the appearance IMO.

And I don't see why a body can't be angular and sexy in that regard without being a tac-body. There is a lot of room for a body design that isn't a ULE tube or something Karta-ish while also not being a Tac body.

Still voting for warp breeches.

Lo

Here is an interesting idea.Why not design the Micro-body to accept AGD Xmag feed brackets. Send the body with the base version (CF), and allow those who want to change it purchase one from AGD.

Thinking about it, I think a Micro-body version of a pre CnC Xmag body, the nice boxy ones.

That would be sweet.

[Lomarandil]

That would be amazing! I'd take out a second mortgage for those!

Pre CNC Xmag style! Do it!

Lo