PTP Micromag Design Concepts

**luke** · 10-01-2007, 01:28 PM

How would you define the two?

**secretweaponevan** · 10-01-2007, 01:48 PM

I really like Dend's take on Nmib's design.

Dend could you throw about .5" of sight rail hump that slopes into the body over about an inch long (for a total lenght of 1.5") in front of the feed neck? It looks a bit nekkid there.

I just want to see what it looks like.

**Dend78** · 10-01-2007, 01:51 PM

sure can, the reason i didnt do that yet was because it slopes there and a sloped sight rail = bad aim

but ill throw it on there as well.

**nmib** · 10-01-2007, 01:54 PM

Ohhh d, im a liking that!

**Dend78** · 10-01-2007, 01:59 PM

ok i lied im not doing the sight rail in the front on that slant it looks kinda

glad you like it nmib

**secretweaponevan** · 10-01-2007, 02:03 PM

Here is something along the lines of what I was thinking to fill that space a bit.

Can you fit a PTP logo on it somewhere?

(please forgive the image quality, I have MSPaint.

)

**Whee McGee** · 10-01-2007, 02:12 PM

Ehh, looks like a Zbody now. Cool, but I prefer the simpler designs in the earlier pages.

**Fantom** · 10-01-2007, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by luke

How would you define the two?

For starters and as a minimum I can see what the kids that play speedball in my field use and what they look for:

1) CF
2) No rails
3) Pretty colors
4) Two finger triggers
5) Electronic boards capable of ramping up to the N speed.

The guys at the woodsball section carry mostly A5, T98 or BT-4 and look for:

1) Offset feednecks that won't obstruct sights.
2) Rails to install their red-dots and Qloaders
3) They also like electronic triggers, but they normally cut off the double trigger to single and go full auto.
4) Black or cammy.
5) Flat line barrels are very popular.

So a speedball body should have pretty organic design with a centerfeed.

And a woodsball body should have as a minimum an offset feedneck (LH being the most popular) and rails to install a red-dot and a place to hang up a qloader. The esthetics of it are into the milsim side. A micro Tac-one would be the ticket.

By the way, previous designs of the micro body type had a changeable feeder and a 3/8 rail (I own a clone). Mine has the Powerfeed neck and a RH neck (which I made in fiberglass).
The only changes I would make to that design would be to make the rail a 7/8 and add a rail ahead of the feedneck to be able to install a longbow if wanted. The qloader fits well off the VA and it is an awesome combination.

**Whee McGee** · 10-01-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Fantom

For starters and as a minimum I can see what the kids that play speedball in my field use and what they look for:

1) CF
2) No rails
3) Pretty colors
4) Two finger triggers
5) Electronic boards capable of ramping up to the N speed.

The guys at the woodsball section carry mostly A5, T98 or BT-4 and look for:

1) Offset feednecks that won't obstruct sights.
2) Rails to install their red-dots and Qloaders
3) They also like electronic triggers, but they normally cut off the double trigger to single and go full auto.
4) Black or cammy.
5) Flat line barrels are very popular.

So a speedball body should have pretty organic design with a centerfeed.

And a woodsball body should have as a minimum an offset feedneck (LH being the most popular) and rails to install a red-dot and a place to hang up a qloader. The esthetics of it are into the milsim side. A micro Tac-one would be the ticket.

By the way, previous designs of the micro body type had a changeable feeder and a 3/8 rail (I own a clone). Mine has the Powerfeed neck and a RH neck (which I made in fiberglass).
The only changes I would make to that design would be to make the rail a 7/8 and add a rail ahead of the feedneck to be able to install a longbow if wanted. The qloader fits well off the VA and it is an awesome combination.

Defining characteristics 3,4,5 from the speedball and woodsball are both irrelevant, since it's only the body being produced, and no plans for multiple colors has been made (not yet anyways). This is just for the design of the body.

That being said, I'm a big fan of Coralis' design on page 3, and Engus' earlier work.

**Fantom** · 10-01-2007, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Whee McGee

Defining characteristics 3,4,5 from the speedball and woodsball are both irrelevant, since it's only the body being produced, and no plans for multiple colors has been made (not yet anyways). This is just for the design of the body.

That being said, I'm a big fan of Coralis' design on page 3, and Engus' earlier work.

Thanks,
3,4 and 5 were listed just to show the likes of the different folks around. I agree, it is the body the object of the discussion

I just checked Engus and Coralis designs and I agree. They are simple, have flat surfaces to add rails, but still, they have only a CF on them. I'm strongly advocating for the ability of being able to have a RH feed.

**going_home** · 10-01-2007, 03:56 PM

Centerfeed Body>>>>

Originally posted by Fantom

For starters and as a minimum I can see what the kids that play speedball in my field use and what they look for:

1) CF
2) No rails
3) Pretty colors
4) Two finger triggers
5) Electronic boards capable of ramping up to the N speed.

The guys at the woodsball section carry mostly A5, T98 or BT-4 and look for:

1) Offset feednecks that won't obstruct sights.
2) Rails to install their red-dots and Qloaders
3) They also like electronic triggers, but they normally cut off the double trigger to single and go full auto.
4) Black or cammy.
5) Flat line barrels are very popular.

So a speedball body should have pretty organic design with a centerfeed.

And a woodsball body should have as a minimum an offset feedneck (LH being the most popular) and rails to install a red-dot and a place to hang up a qloader. The esthetics of it are into the milsim side. A micro Tac-one would be the ticket.

By the way, previous designs of the micro body type had a changeable feeder and a 3/8 rail (I own a clone). Mine has the Powerfeed neck and a RH neck (which I made in fiberglass).
The only changes I would make to that design would be to make the rail a 7/8 and add a rail ahead of the feedneck to be able to install a longbow if wanted. The qloader fits well off the VA and it is an awesome combination.

In case you didnt read the original thread, the bodies are going to be a variation of the last body PTP produced, which was a centerfeed body.
Building on the last body made, not going back to the past.

EDIT: Heres a pic of one :

**muddshutter** · 10-01-2007, 07:39 PM

I know that i may not be the most popular,

BUT

i have a Bone headed idea that i have never seen anyone do, YET..........

If this Micromag had a low clamping CF feedneck,

why couldn't someone mill two feedneck adapters?

Let me see if i can express my idea.

Since the CF feedneck would normally hold a hopper and that hopper could be rotated 360 degrees.........THEN.........

why couldn't someone make a right/left 90 degree elbow for the Q-loader/warp feed users

ALSO

Make another insert for those that like a Left/Right powerfeed offset

Both would be the same thickness of hopper tubing and could be slid into the CF, like a hopper, and have the ability to go on either side and be the answer for everyone who wants a different feed?????????

It seems so simple, COULD IT WORK?
I would be delighted to hear your input on this item.

**p8ntbal4me** · 10-01-2007, 07:48 PM

I was talking to BE about this back in May before Tunaball.

My idea came from the x-mag.

Why did they do a removable vert and side feed breech when they already had a simular concept in place as a barrel system?

Think about it,... a feed neck that was a twist lock like system. You could even use the barrel pin locking thingy mah-doo from the classic mag to create the possition for the neck to stay in.

I was just pondering over the idea,.... but it makes you wonder,... how much more simple some guns can be,.. and some could use some changes to become more than what they already are.

Basically,.. the feed assembly would rotate 180 degrees left, right, or vert.

The down side is you would have a notch showing like the twist lock barrels do on the exterior,... but im sure everyone wouldnt mind once they had a 3-in-1 body!

Originally posted by muddshutter

I know that i may not be the most popular,

BUT

i have a Bone headed idea that i have never seen anyone do, YET..........

If this Micromag had a low clamping CF feedneck,

why couldn't someone mill two feedneck adapters?

Let me see if i can express my idea.

Since the CF feedneck would normally hold a hopper and that hopper could be rotated 360 degrees.........THEN.........

why couldn't someone make a right/left 90 degree elbow for the Q-loader/warp feed users

ALSO

Make another insert for those that like a Left/Right powerfeed offset

Both would be the same thickness of hopper tubing and could be slid into the CF, like a hopper, and have the ability to go on either side and be the answer for everyone who wants a different feed?????????

It seems so simple, COULD IT WORK?
I would be delighted to hear your input on this item.

**muddshutter** · 10-01-2007, 07:53 PM

One more thought........

For those that want the military look, why can't the design have some modular-ness to it? I went on to this web page and found some mil-rails

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Why can't we place some dimples in the surface of the new Micro body that would match up to a standard mil rail. Then the end user could have the dimples tapped and drilled for that application. Those that do not want it, just get dimples?

Just another bone headed idea for the masses??????

Comments are helpful, please.......

**muddshutter** · 10-01-2007, 07:57 PM

The CF would be the base model

option 1 would be a 90 elbow, swivel it to either side and lock it in to your desired position.

option 2 would be a universal powerfeed, rotate it to either side and clamp it in

Option 1 and 2 would be an add on for $30 and the CF would come stock, SUPER SIMPLE

This way, you please everyone...........I hope?

This could give us a more universal design....