IONized 'Mag Pneu-frame?

[Scott Hudnall]

Okay....have you seen the internal workings of the ION frame? It's all one nice little package, taking the low pressure, through the solenoid, routing it to the internals in the body, all put together. Simplified explanation....bear with me here.....

Why couldn't this be used to operate the MPA-3 clippard part to trip the sear on a 'mag?

The ION Blackheart board, complete set up, is $99.

Simply run a low pressure off the 'mag's vertical adapter (like the Electrician's set up) to operate the ION board/solenoid, the output going to the MPA-3 to trip the sear.

hmmmmm......anyone got any input?



Also, the ION manual on the Smart Parts site has a little better exploded view of the ION's internals. You could get a little better look there.

Why wouldn't this work?

[noahyay]

it would work, have fun fitting it in a frame

[Scott Hudnall]

I'm surprised I haven't seen more feedback or ideas on this. Seems so simple and straightforward.

The 9V adapter gives you an excellent idea of how big (or small) this board/unit is. I don't forsee having any problems putting it in a frame. I'll be trying it on a Logic V2 frame initially.

[neppo1345]

It would work perfectly if you could fit it in the frame...

I personally think it's a great idea...however...

It's kinda like putting the engine from a chevy into a ford...

[temps]

Sounds like it would work, and should be cheaper then the current mod.

What is the output pressure of the ion solenoid/what pressure can it handel, it would have to be enought to fire the mag with the mpa-3...
"I'm running an RT on/of in my set-up and it needs 40 psi to run right with the 3/8" bore MPA-3 . so that's about 4.4lbs." - the electrician
But then useing I think the same mpa-3 Trains are bad needs 40 psi to trip a ult on/off..

So to be safe we need the output of the solenoid to be 100+/- psi.. Reading the ion manual it says if ion is leaking turn down operating presuure to below 200 psi because the solenoid arature is overpressurized... so I'm assuming that the solenoid can handel 100 psi properly.. so thats good.

Could you messure the length, width, and height of the ion internals??

Also the mag trigger would need to be modifed with something due to the location of the microswith on the ion board.. that should be easy though..

Also anyone know if it is possible to find the mpa-3 in a local store maybe?? home depot or a hobby shop maybe?? if so I could pick up the pieces pretty quickly and get to work

[Skoad]

worth a shot. If you don't need to modify the ION part at all it should be an easy resell for minimal $ loss.

I was thinking about doing a pneumag for my next project. I would try this but I haven't even dealt with a solenoid driven mag yet so sort of unknowledgible in this.....But you would need this ION setup, a microrock, and the MPA-3 (as well as fittings hoses)??? Still sounds like ~$200.

[Scott Hudnall]

The SP Blackheart ION board goes for $99 with free shipping on Ebay. Cocker front regs are cheap on ebay, generally in the $15 to $20 range. MPA-3 is a $9 part (if that).

The ION frame doesn't look like some oversized monster frame. Again, looking at the 9v adapter lets you know how compact this is.

I agree that the greatest challenge would be configuring the trigger to trip the microswitch on the ION board.

The cool thing is that the air lines are all done, the wiring is all done, no guessing as to what goes where, etc etc etc. I'm sure there are several AOers who will be trying this in the near future. I plan to....

As noted in the first post, I am not planning on putting the reg in the grip, but rather on the front of the gun like the "electricians" set up....drilling/tapping the front of the vert adapter.

Even better.....an SP and AGD "supermag"?

[neppo1345]

You could simply desolder the swith and solder it to another microswitch...and by simply I mean very carefully and delicately...

I don't think theres another reg inside of the ion...and i know they run about 220 psi...

[Skoad]

so ion has no lpr?

[paintball sycho]

the ion only has the vertical reg. the blackheart is hit with 200 psi.

[Skoad]

ok, so is there a reason why we can't buy someone's stock ion boart/getup and try it with that for uber cheap? - just for testing purposes i understand blackheart has "modes" and whatnot.

[temps]

No reason we cant use the stock ion board.

Looking at the post about the shmag (shocker mag) he plans on makeing the shocker frame into a mech mag frame (the screws line up all you need to do is drill out room for the sear).. Anyone have pictures of a 03 shocker frame and internals, would it be possible to use a shocker frame and put the ion internals in it.. or use shocker internals instead of ion internals? I have no idea if a shocker solenoid is the same as an ion or not so i dont know if its possible to run the mpa-3 valve off a shocker solenoid or if there would be room for the mpa-3 valve and mag sear..

Edit.. looking at a diagram of the 03 shocker, I dont think the solenoid is located in the frame, so now would the ion internals fit in an 03 shocker frame??

[Pyroboy597]

The SP Blackheart ION board goes for $99 with free shipping on Ebay. Cocker front regs are cheap on ebay, generally in the $15 to $20 range. MPA-3 is a $9 part (if that).

The ION frame doesn't look like some oversized monster frame. Again, looking at the 9v adapter lets you know how compact this is.

I agree that the greatest challenge would be configuring the trigger to trip the microswitch on the ION board.

The cool thing is that the air lines are all done, the wiring is all done, no guessing as to what goes where, etc etc etc. I'm sure there are several AOers who will be trying this in the near future. I plan to....

As noted in the first post, I am not planning on putting the reg in the grip, but rather on the front of the gun like the "electricians" set up....drilling/tapping the front of the vert adapter.

Even better.....an SP and AGD "supermag"?

The ion board is not right under the frame's cover either. IT is where the on/off button is, there is extra space in the actual gripframe because all that goes there is the battery. Unlike mags, ions have a "Rail" built onto the trigger frame that houses the air source tubes as well as a good portion of the board's components. Not to say that it will not fit in a mag, ive never taken my board out and tried to put it in my mag. However, it will probably not be easy, especially since you will have to mount it somehow.

[BigEvil]

Okay....have you seen the internal workings of the ION frame? It's all one nice little package, taking the low pressure, through the solenoid, routing it to the internals in the body, all put together. Simplified explanation....bear with me here.....

Why couldn't this be used to operate the MPA-3 clippard part to trip the sear on a 'mag?

The ION Blackheart board, complete set up, is $99.

Simply run a low pressure off the 'mag's vertical adapter (like the Electrician's set up) to operate the ION board/solenoid, the output going to the MPA-3 to trip the sear.

hmmmmm......anyone got any input?



Also, the ION manual on the Smart Parts site has a little better exploded view of the ION's internals. You could get a little better look there.

Why wouldn't this work?

You are a genius my friend. Good thinking. It wont be simple, but theoretically it should work.

[BigEvil]

I just checked out the ion manual on Smartparts website. This looks like it will work, but with out one ni my hands to judge the size its really tough to tell for sure.

One question I have about that board is, can you disable the eyes? Also, if you really wanted to go all out, you could replace that board with something like a Morlock for a little added flexability. Im not sure if you can adjust the dwell on that ION board so if anyone knows for sure please let us know. I couldnt tell you what you would need to set it at for a set up like your proposing, but I bet its shorter than the 30ms the Emags need.