IONized 'Mag Pneu-frame?

[Scott Hudnall]

i'm looking into doing an e-Y framed pneumag... i'm still in the reserch phase but thats besides the point

as for operating pressure of the ion... 175ish is about where it likes to be... so can be higher or lower

senariodreams has the entire T-board setup here...

http://www.scenariodreams.com/productpages/iontboard.htm

Follow that link to the pic of the scenariodreams Tboard for the ion. Again, note how small the entire set up is compared to the 9v battery adapter. (Tboard is $80 new as shown and has a 120 day warranty.)

[noahyay]

I find that tapping things is hard.
What I did

A micro rock LPR has an input pressure up to 1200 pis
A 1/8 to C/A adapter will let you use it as a front grip.

[FinchMan]

anybody have pictures of their progress?

[nicad]

Not to rain on anyones party (even tho it has been raining here ALL day!! )...

Realize that the Ion solenoid configuration is designed to hold the output line pressurized until it "fires" ("normally open"), in which it VENTS on activation.. so it is operating backwards from what you would want in a E-pneuMag.

example- it would have to hold the ram activated until you fire, in which case it will vent the ram. You could have a spring or something to actually move the sear, and the ram would keep the spring compressed otherwise.

This means, it is not impossible, but will more than likely be somewhat slow in firing and you will have to run the ram at about twice the normal force required to fire the sear reliably (spring must be strong enough to move the sear reliably, and then ram must compress the spring reliably.. double the effort to accomplish the task.)
This will also result in a possible discharge of the gun when it is being gassed up or degassed-- potentially dangerous.

second option- modify the Ion solenoid to function in a "normally close".
it is possible, but would require some serious doings.

Lets see some ingenuity!!
have fun!

[temps]

hmm.. the ion solenoid has 3 hoses connecting to it, one input, two out. So one of the hoses works 'backwards'.. what about the other tube, does that one work 'normally'??

I've been thinking of other alternatives to the ion board.. and maybe someone here can answer the question. Can a shocker board fire any solenoid or only a shocker solenoid. Basically I'm trying to figure out how a board controls a solenoid and is it unique to the solenoid it uses. If it isnt then we can take a shocker board (or any board) and a simple two way solenoid to power the mpa-3 (anyone know of a good 2 way solenoid that would work well for this application (small, compact and fast)).

Would this be a good 2 way solenoid Clippard The Mouse

[nicad]

You do not want a 2-way pneumatic solenoid. You want a 3-way.. or a 4/5-way, but that is overkill. a 2-way just will not work.

I would say most boards will work with most other 'noids (timmies, angels, shockers, impulses, B2k, etc)... as long as the voltages are reasonably close and the current required by the noid is not more than the board can produce. If these get too far off, performance will surely suffer.

The Ion board/noid requires a high current spike to operate, and thus the board has a capacitor to help deliver the spike. a shocker board could not work with an Ion noid.

The Ion noid also acts as a "T" splitter for the main air supply to the Ion.. that is why it has 3 air lines.
the top two larger ones keep going through, and the top hat of the noid "T"s in and picks air out of the main line's supply.
the smaller lower air line is the "signal" through the 'noid. There is also a vent hole in the bottom of the noid where the air goes when it vents.

re-arranging the top two line will do nothing.
After thinking on how the Ion noid works internally, I do not think it would be feasible to modify it to operate in a Normally Closed operation, due to the nature of the design.

yesno?

[temps]

So I was looking at the clippard mouse valve that is 1.56x1.187x.875 inches. Can be used in 6,12 or 24 volts (or another voltage can be used appon request). To use this solenoid I need to know the voltage and current that is being sent by the shocker board to the solenoid. Also the shocker wire assemly has more then two wires, I would need to know of, or find a diagram to know which 2 wires control the solenoid and what the other wires are used for.


And yea, modifing the ion solenoid wouldnt be the best thing to do, but depending how its mounted you may be able to attach a different solenoid to the ion board.

[Arstron]

It would be pretty hard to fit it all in a mag frame, but what about a wrath/ar-1/T-1/zip kit board and solenoid? They should work perfect for a mag, they are normaly closed valves and the rams they use are spring returned, so if it was hooked up to a mpa-3 it would work perfect. The board and solenoid is fairly big however...

[benzy2]

If you are going to go the route of using the type of noid as in a wrath you might as well just use either a tboard or a timmy board. Almost every board is better than what comes stock in the zip kits. Any single noid board would work.

[Scott Hudnall]

Whoa NICAD......talk about raining on the parade. I know you have insight into how these things work, however, so I take what you are saying as being true.

So the air line going in is pressurized, obviously. AND both outgoing lines are pressurized continuously? Can you direct me to a "how the ion works" video clip to show the air flow? A slowed down graphics video showing what happens internally with the ION when it cycles?

Thanks. Now that I've already tapped my vertical adapter and placed the LP reg, have the ion board on order.....hmmmm.....

maybe replacing the solenoid. I'm searching my clippard catalog....

[Scott Hudnall]

Never mind.....here is the tech info on WARPIG:

ION air flow diagrams and tech stuff....

still looking into it...



what about reversing polarity to the solenoid? and capping the "through" line?

[Surestick]

Is there no barb on the vent to connect a hose to? If there was, could you connect the pressurised line from the solenoid that normally holds the bolt on the Ion back (so you have a supply of pressure to vent) & the input to the solenoid (if the solenoid needs the pressure) to the LPR & the vent to your ram.
Might need a QEV on the ram and some fiddling with the dwell...

[Arstron]

Is there no barb on the vent to connect a hose to? If there was, could you connect the pressurised line from the solenoid that normally holds the bolt on the Ion back (so you have a supply of pressure to vent) & the input to the solenoid (if the solenoid needs the pressure) to the LPR & the vent to your ram.
Might need a QEV on the ram and some fiddling with the dwell...

wouldn't a ram that is pneumatic return instead of spring return work with this setup? let the pushing side of the ram be preasurized at all times, then the oreasurized side will be the one releasing the air when fired which will let the ram work right. thoughts?

[FinchMan]

yeah, just have a ram thats default extended, then when pressure is applied, it contracts.

It shouldn't be too hard to make/find.

something like: http://clippard.com/store/byo_cylinder/byo_stainless_details.asp?sku=SRR-05-1/4-B||N

[Arstron]

Actually I am thinking of somthing like a normal cocker ram only we would need one quite a bit smaller. The back side (that pushes forward) is preasurized at all times, the front side (that returns the ram to its resting position) will have preasure until the gun fires. This will allow the ram to act normally and work with the ION.