IONized 'Mag Pneu-frame?

[nicad]

well, here ya go...
As I was typiong my last message, I got to thinking about how it could be done...

After a few minutes of scratching head, and then a few more minutes of modifications, I have a modified ion noid here that is driving an air ram (ie mpa3) beautifuly.

I placed a little 2-56 air nipple into the vent port (drill + tap the port ruins the vent seat surface, but the air nipple edge is now the new seat surface).
machined down a section of the plunger, and added a spring to hold it down.

configuration:
origional "T" inputs - just vents.. could be cut off.
origional output port- connected to a singleacting air ram.
origional vent- now the input.

[temps]

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

[FinchMan]

so you modified the noid to have a spring?

can it now work as a 3way noid? that'd be useful, except wouldn't you need qevs now, because there's no vent on the noid.

[nicad]

so you modified the noid to have a spring?

can it now work as a 3way noid? that'd be useful, except wouldn't you need qevs now, because there's no vent on the noid.

huh??

It was always a 3-way (still is), I just converted it from Normally Open to Normally Closed by adding a spring on the plunger and an air fitting on the bottom.

out!

[FinchMan]

huh??

It was always a 3-way (still is), I just converted it from Normally Open to Normally Closed by adding a spring on the plunger and an air fitting on the bottom.

out!

ah, i missed the part where you made the original vent into an input, and made the original input a vent.

... How much you want for one?

[Scott Hudnall]

Nicad - that is EXACTLY what I was trying to describe, my friend!

The only thing that I didn't have in place was the spring.

ahhhemmm......please feel free to send me that noid or the entire set up.....in place of that DW t-shirt you posted as the reward earlier in this thread.

PM me if you need my address.....

Thanks for your diligence on this. That is awesome work.

How much to modify the noid if I send it to you? PM me. I appreciate it.

WOW...I just can't believe that it's finally arrived at this point.

[tae]

Very nice!

[Scott Hudnall]

regarding the need for the spring return....

If you ran the air line to the T fitting and then to the normally out position (not the vent), wouldn't that return the plunger after firing the solenoid, since it would allow air pressure into the top of the solenoid, pushing the plunger down? Would it likely hold it's seal?

That would alleviate the need to machine down the plunger and add the spring.

[BigEvil]

Just a heads up to all DIY'ers. I may have a MUCH easier solution. Im working on it.Wont be as cheap as the ion set up, but if all goes well, will be able to fit inside an Intelliframe.

Im still in the research phase. Some of the parts that i ordered are special order items and take 4 or more weeks.

Plus, I contacts a local shop about getting a few things custom made for me. That of course, will take time.

and dont get me started about the TAG diy boards. If anyone has been following Curt's blog, the micro-morlock he's working on would be perfect. Even better, since TAG said they will sell it with the predator code on it. Im keeping my fingers crossed that they will be out by April.

How would people feel about a remote mounted battery if it were done in a asthetically pleasing way?

Dont mean to thread jack. Back on topic. :-)

[FinchMan]

Just a heads up to all DIY'ers. I may have a MUCH easier solution. Im working on it.Wont be as cheap as the ion set up, but if all goes well, will be able to fit inside an Intelliframe.

Im still in the research phase. Some of the parts that i ordered are special order items and take 4 or more weeks.

Plus, I contacts a local shop about getting a few things custom made for me. That of course, will take time.

and dont get me started about the TAG diy boards. If anyone has been following Curt's blog, the micro-morlock he's working on would be perfect. Even better, since TAG said they will sell it with the predator code on it. Im keeping my fingers crossed that they will be out by April.

How would people feel about a remote mounted battery if it were done in a asthetically pleasing way?

Dont mean to thread jack. Back on topic. :-)

astetically mounted? like the emag pack? sure. I'm just waiting for a easy electromod besides the spydermag.

the ion frame gets close, expecially with the 'noid mod. And because stock ion boards are cheap(er), they seem pretty ideal for an electro-pneumag.

[Scott Hudnall]

waiting on a few final fittings from Clippard, then will start the project.

The ION board/noid "almost" fits in my Logic vertical frame, will only take a very little shaving on one side to get it in there. Plenty of room, my friends.

I've not taken pics yet. Will do so as I go along and post them.

[nicad]

Nicad - that is EXACTLY what I was trying to describe, my friend!

The only thing that I didn't have in place was the spring.

ahhhemmm......please feel free to send me that noid or the entire set up.....in place of that DW t-shirt you posted as the reward earlier in this thread.

Scott-
please see what the offer was..

I'll give a DW t-shirt and a load of stickers to whoever can make an Ion board+solenoid activate a mag sear.

The idea was to make ya get your hands dirty and DO it... find out how and why things work the way they do.

If you run air to the "T" and to the load port, yes you would not need the spring, but you would also not have a vent port anymore.. the sear ram would not return.


The offer still stands.... and there is already one way shown to do it..
go!

[Scott Hudnall]

If you run air to the "T" and to the load port, yes you would not need the spring, but you would also not have a vent port anymore.. the sear ram would not return.

NICAD - hold on there.......

in order to use the normal ION 'noid "output" line as an input line, as you have shown, you would have to seal the top "T" fitting on both sides or else it would continuously vent air to the atmosphere when the solenoid was in it's normal position. Looking at the diagram above AND at my ION solenoid, there's no way it would NOT vent continuously in it's normally resting position unless the T fitting is sealed.

What did you do with the "T" fitting when you had the MPA-3 being run by the ION board and solenoid?

With your modified configuration, turning the 3wayNO to a 3wayNC, the air would enter through the nipple coming out of the side of the solenoid, filling the solenoid chamber. The plunger would hold the air from venting out of the bottom of the chamber, but the air would most certainly vent upwards through the hole to the "T" fitting, venting out to atmosphere when the newly configured solenoid was in it's normally closed position.

I believe that analysis is correct. You may have a different explanation....I'm interested.

So, there must be some further explanation as to why you were able to get the MPA-3 to cycle using your mod.

[neppo1345]

q.e.v

[nicad]

q.e.v

QEVs are not magic. they do not create 3-ways out of 2-ways. All they do is amplify a flow in one direction. That is all. you can not throw a QEV at something to fix it like you can money.


Scott-
No, that is not how I have it connected. In my post I described how I have the air connections.

configuration:
original "T" inputs - just vents.. could be cut off.
original output port- connected to a singleacting air ram.
original vent- now the input.

and thus is why you need a spring on the noid plunger.

out!