IONized 'Mag Pneu-frame?

[noahyay]

a clippard reg would do the trick for the ram pressure problem

It would be EASY to turn a cocker into a ion but with less problems.

Then I realized that it could would work just like a timmy/imp if you had an eblade or any board with adjustable dwell and an electric 4 way

The most logical thing to do right now with the board is to use a spring to actuate the sear.



Alright,
voltage regulator to 5 volts
tiny 3 way nicad mentioned
micro switch
9v
mpa3 or smav2 or simmilar.
micro rock

on a side note:
what do you think is more reliable/efficent/consistant:
velocity change by time that valve is open, hammer (timmy/cocker/spyder)
velocity change by dump chamber air amount, pressure (mag/epic/matrix)

[benzy2]

on a side note:
what do you think is more reliable/efficent/consistant:
velocity change by time that valve is open, hammer (timmy/cocker/spyder)
velocity change by dump chamber air amount, pressure (mag/epic/matrix)

Timmies/cockers/spyders have all been known, when set correctly, to have very consistant shots which show they are a decent design. At the same time mags/matricies have been shown to also be able to put very consistant shots out as well. I think the big thing is your regs and the consistancy of the board. As long as you can supply a consistant flow and have repeatable cycles(meaning the bolt or what not moves the same ms each shot) both desings are consistant.

[Scott Hudnall]

Would this 3way work?

would this 3way work on the ION board project? 3 way, normally closed.

pneumadyne 3way

[noahyay]

link not work?

any 3 way valve n.c. should work with enough flow

[Scott Hudnall]

Let's try a different link for a 3 way solenoid, small sized.

Solenoid 3 way


Or a variety from Clippard....

Clippard Solenoid, including Mouse solenoid



Or one from the many sites on the 'net.

Maybe a dealer or AO tech guy can recommend a specific solenoid, 3 way, normally closed, that would work perfectly for this IONized 'mag frame project? Seriously, though, it's gotta work and be available! Thanks.

[Scott Hudnall]

I got a PM from somebody stating that you should be careful about the 3way. he hinted that he had one that would work.....still waiting on the details, however.

Looking at the ION board, I'm wondering if that capacitor above the microswitch would have to be moved, or possibly replaced with one taking up less space.

[warbeak2099]

You could solder wires between the board and the capacitor.

[nicad]

finally! found what I was looking for a while back.
YDNA has created an awesome site with mucho tech info.. and a whole page dedicated to the Ion solenoid.

http://www.zdspb.com/tech/misc/solenoids_selfactuated.html

out!

[Arstron]

finally! found what I was looking for a while back.
YDNA has created an awesome site with mucho tech info.. and a whole page dedicated to the Ion solenoid.

http://www.zdspb.com/tech/misc/solenoids_selfactuated.html

out!

Thanks! Thats pretty useful.

[Scott Hudnall]

Thanks Nicad!

What solenoid would you recommend using, as 3 way normally closed, to replace the ION solenoid to use in this project?

Solenoids ----to MPA-3 as a sear tripping actuator.

Thanks.

[Arstron]

I just foun this animation of how the ion works, for those that need a visual diagram.

[UglyIronman]

I don't have a solution to the "the-Ion-solenoid-is-only-a-fancy-vent" problem, but about making the switch fit...

Microswitches are usually set up as Normally-Open. If this is the case with the Ion, you could simply wire a separate switch in parallel with the one on the board.

The pins should be accessible on the back side of the circuit board. in the animation just above you see the three large pins that hold the switch onto the circuit board. Those should be "C", "NO", and "NC". They are probably all soldered down sor strength, but only the "C" and "NO" will have connections to the circuit board. It should be easy to just solder a pair wire onto the those two posts on the circuit board. Then run the wires to the second switch (anywhere you want) and the gun will fire when either switch is closed.

If they did something strange and went with "Normally-Closed" you would have to put the new switch in series with the old switch. You could cut one of the lines on the circuit board and connect one wire to each side. That would work too, but it's very unlikely that they did it with a NC switch.

1) its easier than removing the original switch.
2) it maintains the value of the board in case you want to sell it later.

[FinchMan]

it still doesnt make sense to my why we cant just use a different kind of ram, instead of trying to replace the solinoid.

[Scott Hudnall]

NICAD - here's a question for ya about the ION solenoid.

Since I want to use this as a sear tripping device, with a Clippard MPA-3 cylinder tripping the sear....


The MPA-3 is self venting. When it gets to a certain point, the air from the cylinder vents.

What about closing the 2 outlets on the ION solenoid that are gas-through while the solenoid is normally open, and using the vent at the bottom of the solenoid as the outlet to the MPA-3? If the flow is high enough, it should work since the MPA-3 will vent itself at a certain point, making a 3-way normally closed circuit...essentially. am I right?


come on....tell me you think it might work.....or just lie to me to make me feel better.

[nicad]

NICAD - here's a question for ya about the ION solenoid.

Since I want to use this as a sear tripping device, with a Clippard MPA-3 cylinder tripping the sear....


The MPA-3 is self venting. When it gets to a certain point, the air from the cylinder vents.

What about closing the 2 outlets on the ION solenoid that are gas-through while the solenoid is normally open, and using the vent at the bottom of the solenoid as the outlet to the MPA-3? If the flow is high enough, it should work since the MPA-3 will vent itself at a certain point, making a 3-way normally closed circuit...essentially. am I right?


come on....tell me you think it might work.....or just lie to me to make me feel better.

lol.. ill let you pick one of these two responces...


#1) The ion noid has no spring, it relies on a difference of air pressure to make the plunger inside return to its normal position (at rest). If you use the vent port (connect it to the the MPA3), block off the plastic normal output on the noid, feed air to the top as normal, and block of the other "T" fitting (it is just not needed), You will have created a 2-way noid, which will not work.
What will happen is this- once you fire once (which will work fine once!), The Ion noid will not return to its resting position because the MPA3 will hold the pressure in it (nowhere for the pressure between the noid and mpa3 to go!), and there will be no difference in pressure in the noid. So, it will activate and stay pressurized until you de-gas the system. Even if the plunger did somehow return to resting, all that will do is seal off the MPA3.. and never let it vent. The MPA3 may have an over-pressure vent on it(??), but that will not vent its operation pressure like you are wanting.

#2) it will work fine.

choose wisely!!