Why not restart production on E-Mags and X-Mags?

[Spencer]

That's not how you sell a product, that's why they're not selling it.

They should then sell the company to someone who would invest the time and money into marketing these, without the smart parts buisness style, meaning the great service of AGD but actually wanted to move forward and still be known...

[craltal]

AGD backed out of the electro market because of Smart Parts' actions. It's my understanding that they're not willing to risk a legal fiasco to make more E/XMags.

Actually they weren't profitable so the idea of discontinuing them was floating around anyway, the timing just happened to coincide and made the decision easier at least that's what Tom had posted on the issue. AGD never received a C&D order that's just rumors.

[snoopay700]

You know, all this talk about reviving the x-mag, when truthfully if we were to see another gun come from AGD i would prefer it be something new. I know they're capable of it, the market is just really bad right now. Honestly, if Tom was still invested into making a new mag or whatever, he'd make something evolutionary i think.

[OneUp]

MacDev has to and it is Aussie based. It would make sense that others also have to.

Now, I think we all know about the poop that went on with Smart Parts patenting the electro stuff in paintball and serving Cease and Desist letters to companies (AKA, etc) that continued to produce said markers without their permission. Well, these days, dozens of companies produce electro markers, and I'm pretty sure none of them (Spyder, DP, WGP, PMI, Bob Long, Tippmann, PE, etc) pay royalties.

That said, why not crank up the old machines and start churning out our beloved mags again. Sure, the market is small, but we've got the technology, and if we produce enough (granted, again, I'm unaware how deep the market is) then the per unit price is sure to be somewhat lower than it was a few years ago.

It's just with E-Mags and X-Mags selling for as much as they do now, and Smart Parts being seemingly inept at enforcing their patents, why not stop whining about how much we hate the Gardeners and their evil empire and start making some competition.

[going_home]

That should cover it!

What emails are we (you) talking about?

About how much would each X-mag cost if 100 were made pre-paid? And would any changes be made? Like in the electronics and whatnot?

Whats the price of one of those so called "special edition" Ego's ..... about $1800.00 isnt it ?
I'd say if you could line up at least 100 payments of $1800.00 for another Xmag run, that
would certainly make the "AGD powers that be" get real interested.
I'd bet theres some hard core maggers that would want more than one lol.

[Ninjeff]

You know, all this talk about reviving the x-mag, when truthfully if we were to see another gun come from AGD i would prefer it be something new. I know they're capable of it, the market is just really bad right now. Honestly, if Tom was still invested into making a new mag or whatever, he'd make something evolutionary i think.

Bingo.

As much as i LOVED my emag, there isnt a real need to make another run. You might as well buy from the used market. AGD made such a high quality marker it isnt like any of them are getting horribly worn out. I know my emag was old, but still looked brand new (dont know why i sold it )

So, honestly, there just isnt really a point to another run of them.

That all being said, a NEW E-Mag, as in, NEWLY designed would sell like mad. I gaurantee you if someone form AGD said "If 100 people pre-paid for a new E-Mag (new design) we will make them" That 100 people worth of slots would fill up so fast your head would spin. Heck, i dont even think they would have to give us a picture, or even an IDEA of what they were. I would drop money on one just by reading "Brand New Design! Get Your E-Mag slot NOW!"
Boom, im sold. Thats how much faith i have in AGD. I would trust them almost blindly to deliver something that would amaze me.

[chafnerjr]

You know, all this talk about reviving the x-mag, when truthfully if we were to see another gun come from AGD i would prefer it be something new. I know they're capable of it, the market is just really bad right now. Honestly, if Tom was still invested into making a new mag or whatever, he'd make something evolutionary i think.

Amen brother

I'd love an X, but I can get one if I just pull $$$ out of my butt from other things. Anyone here can already for a price (two up right now in B/S/T).

My only question is... how much better can it get??? We're as light as we can get without risking the integrity of the unit... Were about as fast and as accurate as they can get (barring breaking the current laws of physics)... but because there isn't any real MAJOR COMPANY support we're all forced to make our own guns... our own parts and mods... I think it fair to say that the community that the Mag has right now wouldn't be what it was if they we're cranking out new models, especially if the company was bought out and bastardized into making new versions covered in composite crap with the name like '09 Electro-Super-Mag Xtreme! Know what I mean...

Here's what I want Tom... End world hunger... until then sit back and enjoy your engineering marvel... This decades old design (OK OK depending on which valve and bolt we're talking about) still competes with the highest end markers today for a fraction of the price... Life is good fellas


P.S> Hey, Tom... just in case you do have some sort of revolutionary new design that puts everything I just said to shame... put me on the list for one

[snoopay700]

Bingo.

As much as i LOVED my emag, there isnt a real need to make another run. You might as well buy from the used market. AGD made such a high quality marker it isnt like any of them are getting horribly worn out. I know my emag was old, but still looked brand new (dont know why i sold it )

So, honestly, there just isnt really a point to another run of them.

That all being said, a NEW E-Mag, as in, NEWLY designed would sell like mad. I gaurantee you if someone form AGD said "If 100 people pre-paid for a new E-Mag (new design) we will make them" That 100 people worth of slots would fill up so fast your head would spin. Heck, i dont even think they would have to give us a picture, or even an IDEA of what they were. I would drop money on one just by reading "Brand New Design! Get Your E-Mag slot NOW!"
Boom, im sold. Thats how much faith i have in AGD. I would trust them almost blindly to deliver something that would amaze me.

Hey hey now, i forbid them from pursuing something like this until 4 years from now when i start my career as an engineer and can afford one.

Seriously though, i know it won't happen, but i'd love to see a new design from them.

[cockerpunk]

yeah, all those companies you listed do pay royalties.

[AGD]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

DON'T ask for:

More efficiency
More accuracy
More speed
Lighter weight
Smaller size
less kick
cheap price

These have all been done and are no longer selling points.

Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

AGD

[mag79]

How is it that Tuna can sell a brand new emag and airgun cant?

[snoopay700]

How is it that Tuna can sell a brand new emag and airgun cant?

He's got the stuff to make it from when he bought it way back when i assume.

And Tom, the perfect gun would be the one you would build for yourself. Granted, i don't know how easy it would be to produce, but i like your whole idea of making it have no reg and be simply regulated by the dwell and such, and the chrono at the end of the barrel to make it so you could shoot almost until your tank was empty (and you could make the barrel take inserts so the problem with different barrels wouldn't be a problem) and all of your other ideas. I still would gladly buy the marker you would make for yourself, although i know that the next step that you guys would take wouldn't be cheap, and i don't know if you could produce it, but yeah, that's basically what i would want in a new mag.

Or to see the emag come back out or something, but i like the perfect one you described since it had a smaller battery, and would allow for probably the smallest marker on the market.

[Ruler_Mark]

A gun that removes the blimp all together and is still easy to load.

extremely lightweight and efficent are required now a-days to even be considered by the 'agglets'



Personally I think a gun that is mech but has the trigger of a electro would be excelent, including extra firing modes like ramp would be pretty revolutionary. Couple that with an integrated pnuematic hopper system

[acropilot19]

A gun that removes the blimp all together and is still easy to load.

I think this is the next step in the evolution of the marker. Developing a system that is high capacity & feeds from the side or below, and that is simple and reliable. We put men on the moon, is this not attainable?

[Beemer]

I think this is the next step in the evolution of the marker. Developing a system that is high capacity & feeds from the side or below, and that is simple and reliable. We put men on the moon, is this not attainable?

Of course it is. It just aint on the market. Or is it?