Why not restart production on E-Mags and X-Mags?

[Texas Trigger]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

DON'T ask for:

More efficiency
More accuracy
More speed
Lighter weight
Smaller size
less kick
cheap price

These have all been done and are no longer selling points.

Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

AGD

I have a few simple ideas...

New trigger: Let's face it, the stock E-mag trigger looks like something off an old E-Spyder. Maybe something shaped like the tunablade instead. It'd be easier to walk and look better.

New software: Needs all the goodies...Fully adjustable ROF, tourney lock, PSP 3 shot, NPPL, NXL, burst, full auto, etc. X-MOD was a wonderful advent that brought the E-mag and X-mag into the new age of paintball. Maybe we could learn a few things from it.

On/off switch: Ditch that yellow pin!

Milling and looks: E-mags aren't the most exciting looking thing around. That doesn't matter much to someone like me, but today's crowd wants something neat looking...Maybe mill the battery pack and rail, start using different grips...the current ones look ugly. I like alot of the stuff I see here: http://www.xmagworld.com/prototypes.htm

1000 mah battery: Like the ones for sale in the dealer's section...Maybe have this as an optional upgrade...

ACE: Have eyes as an optional upgrade for E-mags

These are jsut a few small things that could be done. If used alongside a more effective marketing campaign, E-mags could really take off!

[WatchDragon]

9 volt battery (beats a dead horse)
a trigger similar to CP's blade?
mill some pictures into the back of the valve so the ADD kids have something to look at?


things that exist alredy and look umm, "agg" "tight" umm, i donno what kids call it anymore?

the X-mag body looked mean enough, the way it encompassed the valve.

The electronic housing isn't the most attractive thing, maybe make it look more regulator like?
A box hanging off the front of the marker isn't appealing to most people

the Y-grip ( lose the hogue pistol grips, its not a real gun ), i personally have the "trucker girl" hybrid panels on mine. Make some grips with the lions on them or somethign along those lines.

speaking of, an electric y-frame?

I agree a lot with Texas Trigger too, and i probably reworded what he said somewhat.

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Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

Sadly its a lot of making old stuff sound new, im sure you seen the Ego 08' selling points, they are trash, but people are getting wood over them.

[WatchDragon]

Also, if you build a marker when its ordered, would that work? Ya know, like an "In-n-Out" or "Jack in The Box" kinda way, we don't make it until you order it? have tom's signature engraved on it, lol, make it a work of art.

I know the woodsball people love Tac One, there are enough videos on youtube of people showing them off. less so with the e-mag.

[LinearGoose]

Why does everyone want AGD to be like everyone else. Let AGD be AGD and as far as air efficiency I get all day air at my field and every field that I have been to. Im usually back refilling my pods than air.

[WatchDragon]

Everyone else has an electro marker, all we have is woodsball mechanical markers (save the elite few that have an E / X mag), nothing wrong with that.

Show me someone in the PSP league using a mechanical mag, its just not happening.

[questionful]

In Japan, Toyota doesn't make a car until someone orders it. The Japanese people are the most efficient on the planet, until it comes to the plastic they package all their exports in.

[LinearGoose]

Everyone else has an electro marker, all we have is woodsball mechanical markers (save the elite few that have an E / X mag), nothing wrong with that.

Show me someone in the PSP league using a mechanical mag, its just not happening.

Well if you want an Emag you can get one from Tuna. You dont have to use a crummy mech marker and I didnt know everyone was planning on playing in the PSP league.

[maniacmechanic]

Why does everyone want AGD to be like everyone else. Let AGD be AGD and as far as air efficiency I get all day air at my field and every field that I have been to. Im usually back refilling my pods than air.

Goose you hit the nail on the head
you know the 55 Chevy is a classic , I bet chevy could sell a million of them IF they made them again I wonder why they don't

[WatchDragon]

*throws hands up in the air* well thank, i didn't know they were already made to order.

[snoopay700]

As far as different milling on the x-mag, i dig the last two designs before the very last picture on here: http://www.xmagworld.com/prototypes.htm

Granted it does make them look like everything else, but i don't hate it, and it would get more people to use them probably.

[JRingold]

AGD once ruled the tournament scene. Unless they begin producing electros again they should ignore that market and focus on the woods/scenario groups that care more for durability and reliability than they do for light weight and incredible speed.

Are you saying an X-Mag doesn't belong in the woods?



I love it for owning tippy's and people who think it has to be mil-sim to function in a scenario game.

I still say it's about marketing and capital. No one wants to invest in a market that seems to be full of legal potential and consolidation. Public opinion will have a lot to do with anything, I'l happy to wait a few years and see what happens.

[Don Carnage]

Are you saying an X-Mag doesn't belong in the woods?

um...no. I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying that AGD should focus it's marketing towards woods scenario players. There's lots of e-spyders, angels, e-cockers, ego, etc in the hands of woodsball players. However Tippmans are still in the hands of a gross majority of woods players. That's because Tippmans are very durable, reliable, and marketed toward them. AGD should market toward them too.

[Avianrave]

An electromagnetic paintball gun

I could see this working, buy it would be extremely expensive.

The batter would need to provide a high enough voltage, sufficient current, and have a large energy bank to last a while. Such a system would cost around $500 or more.

Another problem would be the solenoid or some other mass accelerator that would provide a sufficient force, efficient in converting potential energy to kinetic energy, and cycle fast enough to be useful. Such a system would probably need lots of research and resources to develop. Perhaps AGD could try to co-develop something that the army could use, which would help alleviate the development costs.

The main thing I'm wondering is, would AGD change it's name to EmGD?

[kabley]

Get me .dxf files and I'll machine a X mag tomorrow.

I am on a search for a Karta X Mag.

[nathanjones008]

I gave up on AGD and you guys should too.

A mag is not efficient and it is very expensive to built one as light as today's current electros. Their electronics are out dated by about a decade and they are pretty drab out of the box.

With that said, I will attest to their simplicitiy and durability. Sure they can be fast, but crazy high pressure inputs that suck even more compressed air than originally. If AGD wanted to put the money into a new design, they would've a long time ago, rather than building the same old crap for 10 years.

Flame me if you want, but I will say that mags are outdated in today's market. The market is in kids with money to spend- and they're gonna want to spend it on someting that will get them attention. They want something that the hottest pro tourny player used in world cup...Not on something that is heavy, slow, and drab out of the box. the average kid could care less about this thing lasting after a nuclear winter. They just want markers that last a year or two until the next hot marker comes out.

It irritates me that mag owners are so die hard that they cannot see past thier own barrel. They wine and complain about SP, scratch their head in confusion to why AGD is going no where. They complain some more about SP, and then scheme on how to breath life into a dead horse. It just isn't going to happen with out some major changes. If anything, AGD should've went after the woods ball scene before Tippmann cornered the market and convinced a bunch of GI Joe wanna-bees that nothing is more durable than a Tippmann--but its a bit late to for that market because Tippmans are not only pretty durable, but they are very common and readily available at your local one-stop-shopping store.


I loved my mags but I sold them for a pump and a newer electro.

I agree. With the current leadership (cool with the "status quo")of the company there will be a continuation of the same old excuses.

I sold one of my mags and purchased a rail. A very good investiment.

One year from now the company will still be doing the same thing. Nothing!