Why not restart production on E-Mags and X-Mags?

[questionful]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

Well, I don't know if this would be actually producible, but. . .
One day during one of my many boring classes I was trying to think of a way to make a valve better than the RT valve. It occurred to me that the awesomeness of the RT valve came from the order of the stages the air went through. A classic valve goes: regulator-->on/off-->DC (Dump Chamber). The RT goes: on/off-->DC-->regulator. So what occurred to me that day was that the best valve system would HAVE A REACTIVE TRIGGER and still go DC-->on/off-->regulator. I forget what my reasoning was against DC-->regulator-->on/off, but I remember I had some. Anyway, I'm pretty sure DC-->on/off-->regulator. is physically impossible, but I'm not sure. I'm no genius. It's late and I have no idea what I'm saying, but I remember I thought it was brilliant at the time (how most of my stupid ideas start out ).

Oh and two other things that might be considered revolutionary. One, is an RT valve that is made specifically for the purpose of performance. AGD's RT valves, are too similar to classic valves, maybe for the interchangeability of parts, maybe for some other reason, I don't know. But what I was thinking is that an RT valve could be made that is pretty much a single assembly, placed inside of a dump chamber. It would be a cylinder about a centimeter in diameter, and it would go through the dump chamber in the same orientation as AGD on/off assys. It would have a spool regulator, which would wrap around the on/off. I can never explain anything, perhaps I'll scan up a sketch later. But basically it would keep the RT's on/off-->DC-->regulator, but have all the assemblies in one, in the hopes of having everything go faster, and be more compact.

The second thing is an integrated forcefeed thingy that goes in the space a warp usually occupies. Perhaps integrating hopper, warp, and gun would cut down on some of the weight, size, and appearance that scared people off. What would be awesome is if it were pneumatically powered. But that would kill efficiency. . . Anyway, I think a big push at the same old battles could be considered revolutionary. The RT valve was genius, Mr. Kaye, but you know making something that awesome was just asking for something even better.

PS
Instead of trying to make a better gun, maybe you could just include a Paintball Strategy Guide with all the guns you sell. That might make more of an impact on today's paintball.

PPS
No matter what, chuff chuff!

[pyrodragon]

I think this is the next step in the evolution of the marker. Developing a system that is high capacity & feeds from the side or below, and that is simple and reliable. We put men on the moon, is this not attainable?

doesn't the q-marker qualify since it feds from the bottom? don't know how u image getting rid of the blimp when u gonna fed the marker ammo.

[BigEvil]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

I dont think 'new' and 'revolutionary' is needed in this case. There already is a pre-built market for something like an Xmag. How big of a market, and how many can be sold is the real question. Probably not enough to make it worth it.

If there was to be another run of say Xmag, I would think that there would need to be something different about them as opposed to the old ones. (trigger, feedneck, something to distinguish it)

My$.02

[questionful]

Or Just a combined body/rail, but not meant for electronics, with the interchangeable breaches and awesome milling (or no milling).

[Ruler_Mark]

doesn't the q-marker qualify since it feds from the bottom? don't know how u image getting rid of the blimp when u gonna fed the marker ammo.

Q pods are not that easy to reload very fast off the field, I'm sure some people are good but it cannot top a hopper.

[varq]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

DON'T ask for:

More efficiency
More accuracy
More speed
Lighter weight
Smaller size
less kick
cheap price

These have all been done and are no longer selling points.

Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

AGD

Alot of good ideas.. I would like to add this: eliminate the hopper... Since we all wear pod harnesses.. how about an integrated system where you wear the 4 pods on your back but they run right to the gun... warp left or warp right... never have to reload or switch hands and your wearing the pods anyway... this alone would lighten the gun and allow you to be more efficient

[pk5]

Alot of good ideas.. I would like to add this: eliminate the hopper... Since we all wear pod harnesses.. how about an integrated system where you wear the 4 pods on your back but they run right to the gun... warp left or warp right... never have to reload or switch hands and your wearing the pods anyway... this alone would lighten the gun and allow you to be more efficient

They did that, it's called the backpack hopper with a warp. I think AGD had a prototype out and no one like it, because the hose was just too bulky.

[skife]

They did that, it's called the backpack hopper with a warp. I think AGD had a prototype out and no one like it, because the hose was just too bulky.

also, imagine diving in to a bunker and kinking the hose and getting a break inside of it.


not good at all.

[DevilMan]

Well you asked....

I'm not much on MilSim stuff. But alot of folks are. I am however pretty big on AGD stuff.

So what I think would be an awesome idea to get rolling is to make a marker that uses something like the Q pod/ Slam pod??? The ones that open when you push the lock collar down on the front of the gun under the barrel with a feed system no unlike the warp pushing the balls up into a bottom fed breach.

Devise the way to make it air powered as I'm not fond of electro stuff for wet weather play. And I still love to run things FULL MECH.

Design it so that you simply pull your pod out, push it into the front of the feed and go. There would be nothing to dump from pod to hopper and it'd all be slung underneath the gun keeping the top clear.

I can get some drawings to you as to how to morph the Warp Feed into the Q loader feed to accept the slam pods. Yes I know the Warp is electric. Figure out a gear/air system that as the bolt travels forward it catchs a cog on a wheel that turns the next ball up into breach. It'd be spring loaded so the gear tensions the spring, then when the bolt retracts opening the breach the next ball would pop into place.

If you stacked a warp feed type device in front of the trigger frame where the front grip/vert ASA would be and then had the intake to it coupled with a Q pod type mount so that the balls would feed from the pod, into the warp and up into the breach.

I think it's easy to see. It is in my head anyway....

DM

[TeamJackal37]

I bet if you make Xmag same as Mini (Invert), I believe it would sell great, since the speed starting to go back at 13-15 bps, and accuracy, Xmag, Emag already have all that. Kick? as long doesn't kick like muzzleloader, Price to me is worth every penny.They live up to their Motto, Each one of us can tell you how great these guns are.I dont think it would hurt if they make a small run of these guns, If we are willing to pay the price.

[Ninjeff]

I dont know that "revolutionary" is needed, per se'.
But something interesting would be nice. I think teh quality of AGD speaks volumes also.
It would depend on what style you play, there are options for pushing the tech of "paintball guns".
I figure there is two things you could remove, the tank, and the hopper. How, i dont know, but those two things seem like the most glaring pieces in need of modification. Then again, Tom, you've pretty much run the gamut as far as cool ideas. Warp feed to remove the hopper, or MOVE it rather, (though i would like to see something LESS bulky)
How you hold the gun? Done. Y and Z grip.
Air? Fine, AGD pioneers the HPA talk.
Reliability? Done
Fast firing? done (with rt valve)
I have to say, im hard pressed to think of much else that needs done....

Still, i would kill for a new AGD electro. Something lighter, and with out the battery box out front,

[joelbird]

how about getting rid of the air line from the outside of the gun? That would clean up the gun and make it less akward in my opinion. I run a skrink wrapped braided hose forward and back to the valve on my x.

[punkncat]

Ok you guys tell me, what would be 'revolutionary" and actually producible.

DON'T ask for:

More efficiency
More accuracy
More speed
Lighter weight
Smaller size
less kick
cheap price

These have all been done and are no longer selling points.

Its certainly not clear to me what the paintball masses would consider a revolutionary product. Especially since most recent products have been trashed before they became popular. Note the eggo, HALO, the original Matrix, etc.

AGD

Well Tom, since the mag already has very little kick, shoots as fast as it legally needs to plus some, is small, accurate and light....the ONLY thing that I can see improvment upon the current design would be more efficiency within the legendary build quality. That would be revolutionary, but would it reach out to those who aren't in the know? Without sticking your neck out to do a lot of marketing to bring it to the public eye?
All in all probably not worth the time and effort to do.

[skipdogg]

What about this - Everything Tom said (which are standard now) and a way to propel the balls WITHOUT use of HPA. Something that completely eliminates an air source, and therefore HPA tanks are no longer needed. I'm not saying something to replace HPA tanks, I mean guns no longer require some sort of tank. Imagine that, Tom brings HPA to paintball, and then takes it away too.

Also my $.02 AGD won't do anything related to replacing a hopper. Regardless of how many people suggest it. Sales of the Warp killed that idea already. Unless of course Tom was 20 years ahead of his time, which is pretty normal for him really.

[mostpeople]

An electromagnetic paintball gun